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Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA Isotope235
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Posts: 807 Hillsborough, NC USA | The first Basic Principle in the rules reads:
"Competitors in the sport of sailing are governed by a body of rules that they are expected to follow and enforce. A fundamental principle of sportsmanship is that when competitors break a rule they will promptly take a penalty, which may be to retire."
In a hypothetical close crossing, Boat P (port) is expected to keep clear (rule 10).
If P fails in that obligation, then Boat S (starboard) is expected to protest (see rules 60 and 61).
If P honestly believes that she did not foul S, then P may sail on. Otherwise she is expected to take a penalty (see rule 44).
The rules do not place a burden of proof on either boat. A protest committee must find facts and act based on them. If S took avoiding action, then she must have had a genuine and reasonable apprehension of collision. If so, then P broke rule 10. If not, then P didn't. See ISAF Case 50.
I hope that helps, Eric
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