Thanks ,-did actually ask in a previous post if you would run the numbers ,-the reply was a long disertation on 16 performance ,some 16 testamonials, and stats on 16 prismatic drag ,--understandabley would like to avoid that again . -John P ran some which is greatly appreciated .I will get up to speed on these I,m not a naval architect just an active racer. <br> <br>-Applying terms to proposed solutions like {blue sky } ---hmmm -lets just say again they are not accurate , - <br> much like several aspects of 16 class rules in attempting to really address this problem and goal of including all cat designs within a particular length catagory within a F-Class rules structure , which as noted would encourage over time all to place within these respective length catagories. <br>-.Wishing this to occur does not provide a realistic or clear means for it to do so . -Establishing a clear formula or ratio allows an accurate means and a defined systematic path for this evolution to occur. <br> One proposes a defined solution that requires refinement - <br> Another labels it bluesky then wishes it to occur in absence of proposing any real solution other than open rating and grandfathering ,-unscientifically at their discression.-- <br> not a real solution. <br> <br>--The 16 class has a great basis of excellent designs that exist . - <br> My only comment as the 16 class formed was that it may be overly rigidly defined and structured. Already proving to be true. <br>-You now already have new designs proposed outside the scope of the 16 class . -Existing heavier designs can not compete equally . <br> The only apparatus within the 16 class rules to address this is to use the term {grandfathering } -then stating Texel numbers are close enough so sailing skill can overcome the differences in design , - and they can adjust jib and spin size. <br> <br>-Why not clearly define these , and at the same time correct the crew weight equalization problem ,--Not by listing extensive corrector weights, sail areas of jib and spin sizes , but by a comprensive total equal list of sail area to weight in an equal ratio scale . -Isn't this the reason we have design measurement .Lets use it to it.s full benifit in forming these classes so ALL designs can race equally , not just High Performance or regular catsdesigns . - <br> <br> Carl<br><br>