Then you you probably need to heed some of your own advice here Carl with regard to "Bermuda" shorts and who is wearing them.Being from Bermuda,the people I know who wear them are some of the best most experienced sailors in the world.How much do you really know about Bermuda Carl,It's people,the island.I am not disputing your experience here on this forum you have done your races,you are one of the few that partake in the many discussions about sailing catamarans in all conditions. I'll single myself out here,I try to make a go with this cat sailing.I pay my entree fee, I take the boat out beat me and my wife up.Sometimes I even finish the whole damn race. The fact is that it really does not bother me what you say about "Bermuda plaid shorts"and what Wouter says about his observations on sailing overall. The fact that you think that your word is definative and absolute sometimes does. I do not think anyone was hurt in this thread,if anything it put a little badly needed zip in forum. I'm ready to go sailing in my Bda's ..... "Round of "Dark and Stormy's" for "All you all"