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[Re: HobieZealot]
#104302 04/22/07 08:50 AM 04/22/07 08:50 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | I'm not qualified to post racing advice. I'm one of those guys who is looking to learn. There is plenty of advice out there on the internet some good some bad. The best way to determine what advice is good is to look and see who is posting it. Don't take advice from someone who hasn't had any success. So question to Wouter. What kind of results have you posted? Who are you? Personally, I don't like talking to strangers. You need to introduce yourself. Then we can be friends. | | | Re: Pick your Alter Cup horse!
[Re: HobieZealot]
#104304 04/22/07 10:06 AM 04/22/07 10:06 AM |
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Posts: 3,348 | LOL That would make if too easy for my wife to figure out what I really do at work. Well, have a nice life. | | | Re: Pick your Alter Cup horse!
[Re: Jake]
#104307 04/22/07 09:07 PM 04/22/07 09:07 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | Thats an impressive set up. How far do you go to make sure each boat is the same with the same set up? Do you measure spin pole height and rudder rake etc? Although this is a different boat, did you ask for any extra rudders? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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[Re: Glenn_Brown]
#104308 04/23/07 02:09 AM 04/23/07 02:09 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | wow, I've never seen Wouter so excited. Must be nice seeing top level competition in a class you did so much to build. Kudos to the F16 pioneers.
Bullseye on that one ! I think the Alter Cup is really something special, certainly a setup that I would love to see copied in Europe. The fact that this year it will be F16's makes it extra special. But maybe even more exciting then that I find the crew make-ups this year. I really do dig the more family oriented composition + youths. That is so what the F16 project was about from the very beginning. This is not a big boy grunting boat. Elegance and careful trimming is key and that does favour other crew make-ups, giving smaller and less powerful crews a big shot at winning, without totally ignoring the big boys. If the latter can trim and "dance" right then they'll have a good shot at winning as well. I am truly excited, but that is only to be expected after doing many years of hard work establishing this class. My money's on John Lovell, after seeing how he was able to adapt to the F18HT to win the international catamaran challenge with Ogletree. Plus, he and his wife have a child about the same age as mine, and I know how hard it is to juggling sailing and a young child. It makes me want him to win.
Wouldn't that be cool ! Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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[Re: PTP]
#104310 04/23/07 05:58 AM 04/23/07 05:58 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Thats an impressive set up. How far do you go to make sure each boat is the same with the same set up? Do you measure spin pole height and rudder rake etc? Although this is a different boat, did you ask for any extra rudders? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> EVERYTHING is measured. We make every attempt to have one single person performing each task on all the boats so they are done in the same way. Yesterday, I had a team sub-assembling the spreaders while only I made the final adjustments to rake and positioning. We'll have one person setting diamond wire tension. A team will probably put the spin poles in place but one person will come down the rows of boats and finish tying the spin poles, one person will be signing off on the mast rake...etc. These boats will be identically tuned in every way we can possibly see. I've also written some software this year to handle the boat rotations and scoring to try and keep people from repeating on boats into the latest rounds possible (I can reliably get up to the 9th round without a repeat now - and no more scribling trying different rotation schemes each round). I'll also be able to look at the boats statistically later too ;-
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[Re: Jake]
#104311 04/23/07 06:15 AM 04/23/07 06:15 AM |
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Posts: 1,449 | Jake, Thanks for the info.
Please keep the pics coming. It would be good if someone could make comments just naming the people in the shots for the people out there who don't know either the support team members helping out or the competing teams.
Fair winds.
Regards, Phill
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I know that the voices in my head aint real, but they have some pretty good ideas. There is no such thing as a quick fix and I've never had free lunch!
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[Re: Tony_F18]
#104313 04/23/07 09:58 AM 04/23/07 09:58 AM |
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I think they should do the Alter cup on a single handed boat sometime if they can get one donated by a manufacturer. Mono-a-mono, old school, monkey style! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
I guess that's what the A cat class is about, but most of the skippers in the Alter Cup are Not A cat sailors.
Blade F16 #777
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[Re: Timbo]
#104315 04/23/07 11:11 AM 04/23/07 11:11 AM |
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Posts: 393 Syracuse,N.Y | It would be nice to have a brief resume for each team. I have to pull for the home teams(Korz&Siau) and then for the other H16 sailors. Montague,Hess,Nelson and at one time guys like Christensen and Jason. Very thick fleet. Good luck to all.
204 Chant here.
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#104316 04/23/07 11:17 AM 04/23/07 11:17 AM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | Anybody know what is different on these Blades than on the previous Blades? I heard that some things are different on these boats than on previous versions. I like setting things up on cats... wish I could be there to play too!
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[Re: Dlennard]
#104318 04/23/07 11:36 AM 04/23/07 11:36 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | I doubt the boats come with 10 sets of beach wheels and stern chocks.. That would be a lot to expect!!
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[Re: Dlennard]
#104319 04/23/07 11:39 AM 04/23/07 11:39 AM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | It seems to me they should have put the foam flotation on the inside of the hull. That sure looks slow. I guess they are trying to protect the boats for the new owners. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> New kind of anti-wave piercing bows... don't judge until you see how they sail <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> | | |
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