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Annapolis, MD | Recreational Boats Considered a Homeland Security Threat
By Jackelyn Barnard
First Coast News
JACKSONVILLE, FL -- The Memorial Day holiday means it's a day on the water with the family.
Chuck Singleton does what he can to makes sure his kids are safe out here. The concern is who else is out there.
"You don't know where they come from," said Singleton. "You know, they could load up with a bomb or whatever and come right out here."
With thousands of boats on the waterways, the worry is the recreational boat is now a Homeland Security threat.
"Just the sheer numbers and ability to hide among recreational traffic is something that makes it difficult for me to find the threat and address it," said Admiral Thad Allen, Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard.
A simple boat could be used as a weapon.
"Just the fuel, this has 85 gallons in this boat and that's bomb itself," said Singleton.
The head of the U.S. Coast Guard is throwing around a couple of ideas on how to keep you safe.
One would require licenses for all boaters in all states.
The other would call for transponders on recreational boats so authorities can track their location.
"Anything to improve our coast and help everybody out, we need to do it. We just have to get control over this. I think it would be a good idea," said Singleton.
Those against the licensing or the use of transponders believe the Coast Guard needs to set up a small perimeter, a safety zone, in areas of concern, so small boats can't get into certain areas.
From the SA front page.... I can't wait till they try to board my A cat.....
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Annapolis,MD | Recreational Boats Considered a Homeland Security Threat
By Jackelyn Barnard
First Coast News
JACKSONVILLE, FL -- The Memorial Day holiday means it's a day on the water with the family.
Chuck Singleton does what he can to makes sure his kids are safe out here. The concern is who else is out there.
"You don't know where they come from," said Singleton. "You know, they could load up with a bomb or whatever and come right out here."
With thousands of boats on the waterways, the worry is the recreational boat is now a Homeland Security threat.
"Just the sheer numbers and ability to hide among recreational traffic is something that makes it difficult for me to find the threat and address it," said Admiral Thad Allen, Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard.
A simple boat could be used as a weapon.
"Just the fuel, this has 85 gallons in this boat and that's bomb itself," said Singleton.
The head of the U.S. Coast Guard is throwing around a couple of ideas on how to keep you safe.
One would require licenses for all boaters in all states.
The other would call for transponders on recreational boats so authorities can track their location.
"Anything to improve our coast and help everybody out, we need to do it. We just have to get control over this. I think it would be a good idea," said Singleton.
Those against the licensing or the use of transponders believe the Coast Guard needs to set up a small perimeter, a safety zone, in areas of concern, so small boats can't get into certain areas.
From the SA front page.... I can't wait till they try to board my A cat..... That would certainly be the buzzkill for the freedom of sailing high - transponders so they can track your every movement on the water. Then I suppose they could simply mail out the speeding tickets if your track shows excessive speed or something else they didn't like, like maybe visiting too many water side restaurants (must be drinking!). Of course, for an A-Cat, the transponder would have to made of Unobtainium so it wouldn't be too heavy. For all the other production cats the weights of the boats will go from 400 to 450 pounds. You will only be able to race in a Hobie regatta if your transponder came from Hobie. On the other hand, race committee and score keeping could be easier, as long as the USCG format is compatible with SailWave. | | | Re: GWB is doing the hard work to keep us safe!
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WEST. MICH. USA | Recreational Boats Considered a Homeland Security Threat
By Jackelyn Barnard
First Coast News
JACKSONVILLE, FL -- The Memorial Day holiday means it's a day on the water with the family.
Chuck Singleton does what he can to makes sure his kids are safe out here. The concern is who else is out there.
"You don't know where they come from," said Singleton. "You know, they could load up with a bomb or whatever and come right out here."
With thousands of boats on the waterways, the worry is the recreational boat is now a Homeland Security threat.
"Just the sheer numbers and ability to hide among recreational traffic is something that makes it difficult for me to find the threat and address it," said Admiral Thad Allen, Commandant of the U.S. Coast Guard.
A simple boat could be used as a weapon.
"Just the fuel, this has 85 gallons in this boat and that's bomb itself," said Singleton.
The head of the U.S. Coast Guard is throwing around a couple of ideas on how to keep you safe.
One would require licenses for all boaters in all states.
The other would call for transponders on recreational boats so authorities can track their location.
"Anything to improve our coast and help everybody out, we need to do it. We just have to get control over this. I think it would be a good idea," said Singleton.
Those against the licensing or the use of transponders believe the Coast Guard needs to set up a small perimeter, a safety zone, in areas of concern, so small boats can't get into certain areas.
But will the people who want to comit the crime get the transponder, license or what ever else is required? Sounds just like the gun control people and yet crimes with guns still happen. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> | | | Re: GWB is doing the hard work to keep us safe!
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Michigan | Almost everything Homeland Security says reinforces my initial opinion of them, "the inmates are running the insane asylum again"
"From an internal point of view, insanity isn't the problem- it is the solution." Robert Pirsig applies to the organization I work for also. | | | Re: GWB is doing the hard work to keep us safe!
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Maryland | It is no longer "The Hobie Way of Life".
Of course, I learned that when my condo association ran my beachcat off a section of beach that no one used.
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Orlando, FL | It is no longer "The Hobie Way of Life".
Of course, I learned that when my condo association ran my beachcat off a section of beach that no one used. Yep, happended to me too. Condo docs say no boats on property ... even along the river! Remedy, screw anchor just offshore with line tied to dolphin striker. Boat pivots around anchor in 6" of water. Of course, you wouldn't want to leave it like that forever ... but for day sails it worked great.
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Annapolis,MD | It is no longer "The Hobie Way of Life".
Of course, I learned that when my condo association ran my beachcat off a section of beach that no one used. Yep, happended to me too. Condo docs say no boats on property ... even along the river! Remedy, screw anchor just offshore with line tied to dolphin striker. Boat pivots around anchor in 6" of water. Of course, you wouldn't want to leave it like that forever ... but for day sails it worked great. There are areas in Florida now that have been cruising destinations for as long as anybody can remember where the new rich folk are passing local ordinances that ban anchoring off the areas where the nice houses are. The very areas where the cruisers have been anchoring for years. This is in direct contradiction to Florida law, but try telling that to the local law when they start to harrass you. It's no longer important to the towns that the cruisers bring tourist dollars to the businesses, it's more important that Richie Rich has no boats anchored off his property.... Not talking about the live-aboard derelicts either. Interesting articles about this in the Boat U.S. and other mags. | | | Re: GWB is doing the hard work to keep us safe!
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Naples, FL | I'm sure they list Naples/ Marco Island. There's a big brew-ha going on about that now.
Some Marco Island residents are claiming that the boaters pollute the water when they anchor.
Not that the thousands of septic tanks 10 feet from the water do enough of that....
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Annapolis,MD | I'm sure they list Naples/ Marco Island. There's a big brew-ha going on about that now.
Some Marco Island residents are claiming that the boaters pollute the water when they anchor.
Not that the thousands of septic tanks 10 feet from the water do enough of that.... Those are the very places being talked about. Tactics seem to include late-night "safety inspections" and boardings of the anchored boats in some areas. Of course, it also pissed me off when they forced the live-aboards to move in Key West because a new condo building was being constructed and the view was over the houseboat/live aboard area. Haven't been back there in awhile, I suspect it's quite a bit different... | | | Re: GWB is doing the hard work to keep us safe!
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Naples, FL | Are those the condos that block the sunset if viewed from Mallory Square?
Rich landlubbers don't take kindly to those who choose to live on the sea (instead of beside it).
When did liveaboards get such a bad rap?
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“an island in the Pacifi... | West Maui runs hot and cold. Depending on the phase of the moon, when a new mooring is put in you have to register it with the state/you don't have to register it with the state. Registering consists of filling out a postcard with the GPS coordinates and mailing it in.
The majority of the moorings are used by commercial boats which is probably why no one has ever raised a stink.
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Sebring, Florida. | In Florida it's going to get worse than where to put your boat, now they are worried about where you will get water! Lake Okechobee is now at an all time low level, the local paper says if we don't get some rain soon, the well fields are going to dry up, from Miami to Palm Beach! Tampa built a desalinization plant but the thing is always breaking down.
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Wellington, FL-Singer Island, ... | Hi Hathaway,
If the condo is on the ocean and you have a sand dune, the condo has no say so about what happens on the other side of the dune. It is public domain. They would have to go through a bunch of red tape to get your boat removed.
When I first kept my boat in front of my condo, I got a bunch of mean looks and snide comments aimed at me for the first year. After that, they got used to it and now they miss it.
Condo commandos hate change and your boat was change. Once I removed the boat it was change again which they did not like. | | | Re: GWB is doing the hard work to keep us safe!
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Annapolis,MD | Are those the condos that block the sunset if viewed from Mallory Square?
Rich landlubbers don't take kindly to those who choose to live on the sea (instead of beside it).
When did liveaboards get such a bad rap? No, this was on the other side of the island. There is a cove-like area where a lot of live aboards anchored (pretty permanently) and there were houseboats tied up along the wall. Last I heard they were all being evicted. Depending on your sensibilities, it probably looked like squalor to the folks building the condo. But to me it was part of the life in the Keys and what made things different and special. That was about the same time the Hard Rock Cafe, Planet Hollywood, and Hooters opened up on Duval St. I took all those signs as the beginning of the end... | | |
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