I like Michael Crichton. I'll have to give that one a read.

Lets be fair.. Al Gore never stated he "invented" the internet..
He stated he in an interview on CNNs late edition March 9, 1999 Gore replied in part
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system. "

The key is "initiative" not invent.. He sponsored the 1988 National High performance Computer act.. He co-sponsored the 1992 Information Infrastructure and Technology Act.. Without which, this site would not exist.. Without which you wouldn't be getting email.. It is his iniative that allows you to mud sling without knowledge.. Finally may I point out Al Gore is the recipient of the life time achievement Webby Awards in May 2005 for life time achievement for 30 years of contributions to the internet.. Strangely I havent seen your name put up for selection..

You may not like Al Gore but get the facts correct if you wish to make a point about facts and science..

I have seen a bumper sticker that read, "Al Gore is a risky scheme."

Crichton's book really is worth the read.

Recently, a bumper sticker I noticed read "Reduce global warming; muzzle Al Gore".

Sail fast, Tom G.

Stronger THC levels may have effected what some writers construe as fact.

We're saved!

http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4024899

since when is 20mpg good?

lets continue to set low goals and fail to achieve them.

Exactly; 20mpg is shocking.

When is the US going to let the efficent EU oil burners in ?

When it is a 25% improvement. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />


"When is the US going to let the efficent EU oil burners in ? " - Scooby

when gas is $4/gallon. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Yaaaah!!!! Diesel. The US has some stupid butt hang up with gasoline engines. And automatic tranny's. I get 20 mpg with a diesel pickup that weighs 7500lbs.

And the truck has 245hp and 505 ft/lbs torque from the factory.

VW sells diesel cars in the US. I have a diesel Jetta that gets near 50mpg highway, 42 around town.

Any idea what the towing capacity is? And, how is the reliability?

It takes a IQ of 30 to find the facts in this case.. hint try snopes.com

There's a website that I think needs more publicity. Their slogan?

"We're more worried about the intellectual climate"

They're pushing for real debate on the issue. This nonsense of "everyone agrees and there is no need for debate" is BS.

http://www.demanddebate.com/

I've wanted to SEE a REAL equation from a model and the assumptions used. The math/thermodynamics that I and my co-workers (all chem E's) see does not add up.

But 20 is shocking !

I can get 30 out of my Impreza that has 320 BHP and will do 0-60 in 4.25 seconds.

Polemics raises it's ugly head.

Presumably, none of us knows everything; hence, we are all ignorant to some extent.

"The math/thermodynamics that I and my co-workers (all chem E's) see does not add up." I don't doubt you. Still, you have not proved a fallacy.

What is it that bothers you most?

I too would like to participate in a civilized debate. Why not here?

I've cited this article before. I think he sums it up better than I can.

http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/index.html

The spectral absorbency part really gets me. CO2 is an an already saturated absorbency range. Adding more material will not absorb more energy.

Not to mention data like this: http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/tempCO2_vs_solwind.html

To which the author writes something to the effect of, "wow, our CO2 is so powerful it even controls the energy output of the sun".

To assume that global warming is a "problem" you have to first say that now is the BEST climate we could have. Then, you have to look at the data... I mean really look at a lot of data and then realized, "oh crap... all this data... really does not tell me that much... the earth's history is much longer than our data series". So, the only thing we really know is that we don't know enough.

More fun:
http://m2.aol.com/gregbenson/iceage.htm
http://www.xtronics.com/reference/globalwarming.htm

I want a bumper sticker that says, "it's the water vapor stupid"
http://mysite.verizon.net/mhieb/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html

GW is caused by pirates (or lack there of)!!
http://www.seanbonner.com/blog/archives/001857.php

-A good story-
An engineer is out walking in the park and sees a wild-eyed man hitting a strangely painted block of wood with a stick. The engineer's curiosity gets the better of him, so he asks the wild-eyed man, "Why are you hitting that block?"
The wild-eyed man replies with a bit of a crazed smile, "The sound keeps the elephants away."
The engineer, now fully intrigued, digs deeper, "But why? There are no elephants here."
As the wild-eyed man continues to make his noise with renewed vigor, he says, "See! It's working."

A blind man was playing golf and holding up play.

Behind him a priest said," If I pray for him maybe his sight will come back."

A surgeon responded, "Or maybe I could operate."

The engineer in the group asked, "Couldn't he play at night?"

There's a moral there, somewhere.

Will,

Very interesting the virtual flat line in temperature rise during the period between 1820 and 1860 where the pirate population increased by 10K!!! This study should be continued from the year 2000. Seventeen has to be an all time low, there may be 17 in existence at Lake Cheney alone. [img]http://www.thebeachcats.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=19814&g2_serialNumber=5[/img]