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Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger OP
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | What/why do you sail the cat you have. Why does that particular model appeal to you?
I'm boatless.
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#118078 09/24/07 09:39 PM 09/24/07 09:39 PM |
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 902 Norman,OK gree2056
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Posts: 902 Norman,OK | I have two boats
Hobie 14, it was cheap and is a blast to sail in heavy wind.
Nacra 5.2, My baby right now, she makes a great single hand boat with the ability to take a few people out on it. Also it is fast and pretty competetive for how old it is.
I am planning an upgrade in the next few years to another single hand boat that can carry two. The FX-1 looks cool but I also like the Inter 17, and alot of the F-16's.
Once you go cat you never go back!
Nacra 5.2 (Elsies)#1499, running an inter17 spin!
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#118079 09/24/07 10:05 PM 09/24/07 10:05 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Formula 18 Class - big two-up co-ed spinnaker class, many manufacturers and lofts, open to a reasonable amount of innovation, rig it any way you want.
AHPC Capricorn F18 - best build quality I have ever seen, very modern design, demonstrated factory and dealer support.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#118080 09/24/07 10:13 PM 09/24/07 10:13 PM |
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,348 fin.
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Posts: 3,348 | Wharram Tiki 21: coastal cruiser with offshore capability. http://www.wharram.com/Blade F16: ease of operation by 1 person, performance, 1 or 2 racing capability. | | | Re: Topic starter
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#118083 09/25/07 06:23 AM 09/25/07 06:23 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | What/why do you sail the cat you have. Why does that particular model appeal to you?
Started on a Prindle 16, later added a Prindle 18. Still had the Prindle 16 when I sold the Prindle 18. Then I decided to upgrade and got the first F16 in existance. I had to sell my P16 to pay for the F16, for some reason that never sat right with me although in hintsight it was the best thing to do. Currently Prindle 16's are dying overhere (no spare parts) and the resale prices are ludicrously low. And I'm loving my new boat to bits although the owners of the new models do attract my jalousy ! Attraction of the boats. The P16 was simple and quick to rig and could still be sailed well singlehandedly as well as doublehandedly, including righting it. If I'm ever in the market for such a boat again then I think I will go for the Nacra 500. The F16 is all of the above but significantly more performant and it has the spinnaker of course. I'm addicted to spinnaker sailing. But the next most important point for me is that I can directly race the F18's and F20's in my club races. With the Prindle 16 you are always in the back of the fleet and even if you have an excellent start you'll be breathing bad air within 5 minutes of the start. It is alot nicer to play alongside all the others. Wouter
Wouter Hijink Formula 16 NED 243 (one-off; homebuild) The Netherlands
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#118086 09/25/07 08:01 AM 09/25/07 08:01 AM |
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,355 Key Largo, FL and Put-in-Bay, ... RickWhite
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Posts: 3,355 Key Largo, FL and Put-in-Bay, ... | Wave! Great competitors and lots of big regattas and great fleet racing. This summer for our series racing at Put-in-Bay, Ohio, we got in 71 races, with every competitor taking an ace. We have 3 world champs and this past year's National and NA champ. Pretty tough competition. This past winter we got in 60 series races at the Upper Keys Sailing Club in Key Largo. Again great competition. This year's event were and will be: Jan - Tradewinds Midwinter, Key Largo, FL Aug - North Americans, Put-in-Bay, OH Aug - East Coast Championships, Sandy Hook, NJ Oct - Atlantic Coast Championships, Duck, NC Oct - South Coast Championships, Melbourne, FL Dec - National Championships, Key Largo, FL Jan - Tradewinds Midwinters, Key Largo
I also have an F16, but rarely sail it anymore. While the Wave is not the fastest cat on the market, speed is all relative to your competition. Rick | | | Re: Topic starter
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#118087 09/25/07 08:07 AM 09/25/07 08:07 AM |
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 _flatlander_
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | Racing - Hobie 20, The biggest racing fleet in our area and top notch competition. She'll roll along even in light air, very fast up and downwind <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Pleasure - actually more of feeding the need for speed on non race days. Cheap weapon of choice - Hobie 16
life's a reach...
then you gybe
John H16, H14
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#118088 09/25/07 10:23 AM 09/25/07 10:23 AM |
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 976 France pepin
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Posts: 976 France | I first tried a cat when I was 16 or 17 in the south of France, riding crew with a member of my club who needed someone with him to go out on a windy day. I was a capable dinghy (420, 470, X4) sailor, but the speed of the H16 bluffed me. It took me another 10 years to finally decide to buy my own boat, and got a $700 Hobie 16. I've always been a recreational dinghy/cat sailor, I never took part in any race, I just had fun screaming on the wire... I sailed my 16 mostly alone on a reservoir, but I got in touch with some other sailors in the SF bay area and done a lot of outing in the bay and in Santa Cruz with crews (Wow! Surf!).
I came back to Europe so sold the H16 and stopped sailing for a while. Last year the bug started to bite again so I looked around, found a sailing club on a reservoir not to far from my home, with a neglected 20yo Nacra 5.2 sitting on the lot. I bought it cheap, and won the summer wednesday evening club championship series with it (Mostly because the other cats neglected to show up regularly. Of the 19 cats which participated only 7 ran enough races to qualify, and as I was the only one with no DNC I won <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />. I'm slow upwind, really slow downwind, can't get the thing back up when I capsize it, panic when there is too much wind, but hey, I have fun...
I'd like to get something a little more recent, a F16 would suit me fine, but I sail on the cheap, so anything expensive is a big nono. The Nacra will do for now, until I could find a F16 in my price range (and now Wayne is going to tell me that I can have his Stealth for not too much money and he will give me another ride, and then tell me I should get it...) | | | Re: Topic starter
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#118089 09/25/07 10:34 AM 09/25/07 10:34 AM |
Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 984 2017 F18 Americas Site Dan_Delave
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Posts: 984 2017 F18 Americas Site | [color:"green"]Hobie 16
Best fleet size, best mix of people(regattas aren't sausage fests) and some of the best race management I have experienced.
F18 really cool except for the sausage factor.
And another lil boat in pic! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> [/color]
[color:"blue"]What Tommy said about the 16 - co-ed or parent/kid, toughest competition other than the Tornado, big fleets. [/color]
For me is is a Formula 18 for the absolute fun factor and the competition. I would like to address Tom's and Matt's comments though. As far as [color:"green"]"Sausage Fests"[/color] that is the only way to keep from having a "follow the leader" race. Lot's of choices at every rounding. And for the competition on a 16 being the [color:"blue"]"toughest competition other than the Tornado"[/color]. Most Tornado sailors race Formula 18's on a regular basis worldwide. On the West Coast the best competition will be on the 16 when most of the Formula 18 sailors are practicing for the 16 Worlds in Fiji. Later, Dan | | | Re: Topic starter
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#118090 09/25/07 10:46 AM 09/25/07 10:46 AM |
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 334 Seattle,Wa Don_Atchley
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Posts: 334 Seattle,Wa | By "Sausage Fests" I think he means an all male group.
In the Northwest F18/Tiger group we've got a great mix so far. Wifes, daughters, sons, and even Peter Nelson. Hobie Tiger 2003 | | | Re: Topic starter
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#118091 09/25/07 11:02 AM 09/25/07 11:02 AM | Anonymous
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#118092 09/25/07 11:34 AM 09/25/07 11:34 AM |
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 393 Syracuse,N.Y pbisesi
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Posts: 393 Syracuse,N.Y | I bought a Hobie 16 because that is what everyone else had. I think the boat and the manufacturer we prefer has a lot to do with what's going on in your area. We all want to protect our sailing way of life. The F18's are causing a healthy cross over between groups that once would not get together. I do feel that the depth of talent is still deeper in the H16 fleets than any other. The F18's are catching up fast. I had the opportunity to sail a tiger in some wind over Labor day and it was a blast. It was a bit wavey and I couldn't get it to stay in a groove downwind very long. When it did happen the boat just takes off and I got the perma-grin going. I also buried the thing up to the cross bar and it popped back up. Also very cool.
I race with my daughter on the 16 and in 2004 when she was 9 years old and weighed 65lbs we made the cut at the Nationals in Syracuse. The cheer she recieved and the smile on her face when they announced her name at the cut party will always be my best sailing memory.
The H16 seems to offer more of those type of opportunities than do the big hi-tech boats.
Pat Bisesi
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