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#122740 11/11/07 01:17 PM 11/11/07 01:17 PM |
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Posts: 17 | When we met at the US SAILING AGM in Phoenix last month and represented you, the Multihull Sailors, the Multihull Council was pleased to report, as noted in another post, the USA Olympic Sailing Committee submitted to the ISAF the recommendation for the 2012 Olympics to include two multihull classes. The three USA ISAF members decided to go against the recommendations of US SAILING and voted to eliminate the multihull class in the 2012 Olympics. You may wish to share your feelings with the three USA ISAF Delegates: David Irish daveirish@irishboatshop.comCharley Cook chascook@comcast.netCory Sertl corysertl@rochester.rr.comBe polite, but let them know what you think of their decision. Caleb Tarleton, Multihull Council Let's not forget that US Sailing was first to propose no multihull in 2012. It was only after the uproar that was changed, but they fully knew that even their own delegates would not be voting for it. Hell, they even threw in two multihull classes in the proposal. Why not. Make it look like we are doing something fully knowing that their delegates will not be voting for them. I wish more people in the US would have had the opportunity to sail the Tornado and see first hand how badly US Sailing treats them. You have no idea the crap they go thru even during an event like the OCR. Here is a good example from this summer... US Sailing had a container coming back from Europe half empty. A US Tornado team campaigning there training for the trials asked if they could send their boat back in that container. The response was a flat NO. US Sailing would rather send the container half empty than allow a multihull team to use it. I blame US Sailing and I for one am done sending my money there to support their stupid laser program. Their assigned multihull coach by his own admission said that he knows absolutely nothing about multis. Nor has he any interest in learning them. US Sailing and ISAF can just ki$$ my a$$. Let's get organized so we can just having some control over the promotion and funding of our sport. We have some very talented multihull sailors who are not getting any support from our 'national organization'. It's time we divert those funds to our own sailors. | | | Re: Tornado ruled out by ISAF
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#122741 11/11/07 01:27 PM 11/11/07 01:27 PM |
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Posts: 17 | Personally I can't see any reason to retain my membership. It would probably be viewed as a small gesture I guess, but if 305 members resigned en masse it would at least indicate what the cat community thinks about this.
I did just that yesterday and also stepped off the MHC. I've heard about as much lip service as I can stand. Way to go Bob! I'm right behind you. | | | Re: Tornado ruled out by ISAF
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#122742 11/11/07 01:35 PM 11/11/07 01:35 PM |
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Posts: 17 | Personally I can't see any reason to retain my membership. It would probably be viewed as a small gesture I guess, but if 305 members resigned en masse it would at least indicate what the cat community thinks about this.
I did just that yesterday and also stepped off the MHC. I've heard about as much lip service as I can stand. Unfortunately, because ISAF Regulation 19 applies to the H-16 North Americans (participants in a North Americans of an ISAF International Class must be members of their MNA), that means you won't be eligible to sail in the 16 NA's in Clear Lake, Iowa next year. You might want to reconsider that, Bob. You can bet your butt that I'm going to corner David Sprague at the ODSS next weekend and inquire why he voted against the multihull. BTW, I'm planning to wear black all next weekend at the ODSS in protest. Matt, Who the hell cares about ISAF regulation anything at this point. We have NO reason to be involved with ISAF any longer. It would be really stupid to not allow people to compete at the NAs for that reason. This is the time to make a statement. We are no longer part of ISAF and it's time for IHCA to step away. I for one would support that. Hell, I'll even get a H16 again and go to IOWA or wherever they are next year. So you are advocating turning me away from the Tiger NAs as well because I'm no longer a member of US Sailing? I think we need to boycott the Alter Cup as well. We should hold another non US Sailing sanctioned National Multihull championship on the F18 Capricorn next year. | | | Re: Tornado ruled out by ISAF
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#122743 11/11/07 01:39 PM 11/11/07 01:39 PM |
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Posts: 17 | Just sent an email to membership@ussailing.org to cancel. | | | Re: Tornado ruled out by ISAF
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#122745 11/11/07 01:45 PM 11/11/07 01:45 PM |
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Posts: 17 | I think boycotting the Alter Cup would actually benefit the anticatamaran faction.
It isn't my ox being gored so I don't have the same emotional response. I will, however, join you in expressing my displeasure.
The underhanded manner in which the matter has been handled is clearly bad policy. We can still hold an Alter Cup with the sailors who have qualified but not do it under US Sailing. This would be an excellent opportunity to support a new US Multihull association (or NAMSA maybe?) to get it off the ground. | | | Re: Tornado ruled out by ISAF
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#122746 11/11/07 02:01 PM 11/11/07 02:01 PM |
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Posts: 3,348 | I think boycotting the Alter Cup would actually benefit the anticatamaran faction.
It isn't my ox being gored so I don't have the same emotional response. I will, however, join you in expressing my displeasure.
The underhanded manner in which the matter has been handled is clearly bad policy. We can still hold an Alter Cup with the sailors who have qualified but not do it under US Sailing. This would be an excellent opportunity to support a new US Multihull association (or NAMSA maybe?) to get it off the ground. Are you sure? I suspect there are proprietary rights involved*. Just a guess. Clearly multihulls need better representation. * If I were running the Hobie Company, I would be very interested in gaining control of the name "Alter Cup" and making it a Hobie only event.
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#122748 11/11/07 03:33 PM 11/11/07 03:33 PM |
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Posts: 48 Zurich | Its a sad days for Hitech sailing and a kick in the teeth for multihull sailing. I agree with Rohans sentiments here: http://www.rohanveal.com/Daniel | | | Re: Tornado ruled out by ISAF
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#122749 11/11/07 04:48 PM 11/11/07 04:48 PM |
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Posts: 1,884 Detroit, MI | Matt, Who the hell cares about ISAF regulation anything at this point. We have NO reason to be involved with ISAF any longer.
Hey! - don't shoot the messenger! I'm just quoting the regs. I didn't make them up and I have no control over Hobie Cat's (both Europe and USA) involvement with ISAF. | | | Re: Tornado ruled out by ISAF
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#122750 11/11/07 05:41 PM 11/11/07 05:41 PM | Anonymous
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#122751 11/11/07 05:44 PM 11/11/07 05:44 PM |
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Posts: 744 | Ollie, all, I too will have to re-think my US Sailing membership including my volunteer position on the P/N committee. The sticker on my car and boat just don't mean anything to me anymore so I'm scraping them off tonight. Going to start out the week "US Sailing Free". And I'm all for a p/n rating system like the ones used in Europe as they take all the guess work out of it. The time is NOW to move away from US Sailing and the ISAF.
Count me in to help with the new association, Bob Curry
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#122752 11/11/07 05:55 PM 11/11/07 05:55 PM | Anonymous
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#122753 11/11/07 05:56 PM 11/11/07 05:56 PM |
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Posts: 3,528 Looking for a Job, I got credi... | Ollie, all, I too will have to re-think my US Sailing membership including my volunteer position on the P/N committee. The sticker on my car and boat just don't mean anything to me anymore so I'm scraping them off tonight. Going to start out the week "US Sailing Free". And I'm all for a p/n rating system like the ones used in Europe as they take all the guess work out of it. The time is NOW to move away from US Sailing and the ISAF.
Count me in to help with the new association, Bob Curry Interesting to see what happens to SCHRS ! We are affilliated with the ISAF and it is their rating system for Cats !
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#122758 11/11/07 06:59 PM 11/11/07 06:59 PM |
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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | Matt, Who the hell cares about ISAF regulation anything at this point. We have NO reason to be involved with ISAF any longer.
Hey! - don't shoot the messenger! I'm just quoting the regs. I didn't make them up and I have no control over Hobie Cat's (both Europe and USA) involvement with ISAF. Matt, If all these regs are so damned important why does HCANA freely hand out championship trophies to non-members? It's only $25, but it's the principle of the thing. It doesn't send a good message to the general population of the class. hijack off
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