What are the pros and cons of wings? Certainly there is a comfort issue for recreational sailing. Many more powerful designs don't have them. Do wings become a liability in heavy weather ocean sailing?

My interests are in cruising and distance racing.

Thanks!

I don't know when they'd become a liability in any case except maybe trying to squeeze through crowded dock areas. (I know I've shoved my H17 through a 12' wide dock openning before.)

They are added weight, but not that much. I honestly don't know why more don't have them. I've read that you can order the Fx-one and the fox with wings, but they wont be class legal I don't believe.

when i changed the sail plan on my boat, i added about 45 or 50 square feet of upwind and
about 110 square feet of down wind sail, i thought of adding trapeze. the idea was that my
wife would get out there and i would watch the kid. however, watching the kid would take
away from my pushing the boat so we added wings. now the both of them can get out and sit
on the wing and add righting moment. it also makes single handing a breeze. no worries about
getting my harness hooked up or getting out in waves or any of that stuff. just put your butt
out there and sit.
at the dock, the boat becomes this big platform that you can just lounge over. she is about
20 feet by 25 feet of tramp. it is great.
i do not have class rules to follow, so i can do whatever i want with out worries of keeping
legal.

Wings are a nice added feature for comfort and they do add to the righting moment. However, they do have their disadvantages too. As has been said, they are heavy (my SX wings are ~50 lbs). Also, as soon as you heel to the point where the leeward wing is in the water, you lose a considerable portion of your speed. In chop, the problem is only magnified. Also, depending on the type of wing tramp you have, the wings add area that wind can get under and potentially flip the boat. I've also found that my wings are fairly fragile. I've had them break several times in gentle capsizes (and once when I hit a channel marker, but that's a different story). Anyway, I do like the wings on my boat, but I don't know that I would add wings to a boat that didn't already have them.

On the flip side, my wings weight enough so that I can pick one up with my pinky finger.

You have to almost be going over the mayberry to get the leward wing in the water in my experience. At which point, it may be a good idea to lose some "performance" :P

both of the 5 foot by 6 foot wings, with tramps and hardware, weigh about 40 lbs. i built
them from 2 inch o/d. glass tube and just joined them in the corners. i agree that there is a
bit of drag to them, but to me they are worth it.

If you are not racing I think the wings on the H 18 are great.
I call it the flying chase lounge (can easily carry three people).
If the wind dies your crew can lie down on the leeward wing and take a nap. This also helps with weight in light air, not to mention the wild thing when the wind comes up.

In Ireland we call them, Hobie "Patio Furniture"

Why the sarcasm towards wings?

Have you ever trapped out on them? Its a thrill.

Ok, I'm a bit defensive as a H17 owner, but seriously, its a blast trapping out on those things.

Having sailed Hobie 14, 16, 18 and now 17's I feel the 17 with wings is the best for all conditions. We can sail in weather when the other Cats head for the beach. As an example, the following is a picture of my son Tom at the 1990 Nationals in the Gorge. It blew 35 to 40 mph each day.
Caleb Tarleton

When I went looking for a faster, newer boat to replace my G-Cat, my wife and I ran across a Mystere 6.0 with wings.
My wife battles back fatigue, and when she saw the wings, she said, "Buy that boat!"...I did. What a difference! Wings rock! We can generate significant force when flying the hull and still be comfortable. When racing my crew is thrilled when it blows enough to trap from the wing edge. He's truly flying. If you ain't tried it, don't knock it.
John

Hey Caleb, your son's sailin' my H17 twin!! Anyway, agree completely with the other "wing-masters" in this string. No better place to race in a blow than out on them wings. In high winds it makes for some really fast action and some wild tacks and mark roundings. Next best thing is racing amongst a bunch of H17s in the same conditions, they rock....:).T

For the racing we do on the Chesapeake I've taken them off my 18. They were about 40-50lbs of weight (boat's already damn heavy and so am I), extra windage going upwind, and it really doesn't take much to stick the leeward one in the water with a bit of heel and chop. And counter-intuitively, slowing like that in blow makes things worse, not better! Trapping from the hull gives better leverage than hiking (not trapping) on the wing, and although trapping from the wing is cool and is way more leverage we rarely see conditions that make it useful. That having been said they're the best thing for cruising, and even though I've taken them off I still keep them for that purpose. Now that I have a spin I think about putting them back on, but as of yet I haven't seen a need.

I understand Performance catamarans did some speed testing with the 5.5 and concluded that all things considered the boat was faster without wings. That may be a concern for the distance racing you mentioned. That being said however count me among the wing fans. They will make your boat both safer and far more comfortable.

Had formula wings on my Hobie 18. They are great for rec sailing especially with kids. They absolutely suck for racing in any waves. The leward supports dig in on every wave and if you accidently get up too high, the wing itself will dig in and spin you to leward (powering up). If you go over, plan on a long swim as they resist righting the boat like a big 5 foot skeg keel. If you get them, make sure you can easily remove them while racing distance. I do think they are worth the effort and money for fun rec sailing.

I haven't had the wing supports dig into the waves. The only time that it does happen, is when the whole hull goes under the water.

Also when it does dig in the water, I don't experience the spinning that you speak of.

Maugan,

You haven't experienced those things for a couple of reasons. Mainly, your H17 wings are much smaller than the TheMightyHobie18 formula or SX wings and mount differently. They do not stick out as far from the hull, nor do they have the profile of the TheMightyHobie18 wings. Further, the considerably smaller area of the seats, means that you are less likely to feel them spinning the boat off the wind. As for putting the whole hull under water, that's not at all uncommon, especially in any sort of chop. Without wings, the boat can more easily slice through. When the wing supports go under, you can really feel the boat slow down.

Righting the boat with wings is also more difficult than without. I've had a Hobie 18 w/o wings and it was far easier to right than my SX. Also, on the NC coast, and in other areas with strong tidal currents, the wings act just like sea anchors when you're flipped over. So beware if the tide is going out.

Sorry, didn't mean to be sarcastic.
There are no Hobie 17s in Ireland, so I cannot comment. There were a few Hobie 18s about 10 years ago and one was fitted with wings. They were a nuisance in the dinghy park and slower than the standard Hobie 18 on the water. They seemed dangerous, sometimes catching in the short chop we often race in. The Irish have a nickname for everything, so they were immediatly christened "Patio Furniture".
We mainly race Formula 18s, Hurricane 5.9s, Dart 18s & 16s and now Spitfires. Some of the F18s are Hobie Tigers.
Dermot.

From my experience on my H 18, if you throw your righting line over the wing, the added leverage more than compensates for the wing in the water (I’m a good 210lbs.). May have trouble if you are any lighter or don’t have crew.

But anything over 20 with waves you will dig the wing, just be ready.

With winter coming we could use the analogue, its like preparing for the next mogul, bent your knees.

Skipper and crew need to work together, its not like you are going to pitchpole. Well maybe it is, if you don’t get it (the wing you are standing on) down. Down is good in this case
Jon.

It was my impression that the reason that the wings are there in the first place is so that the boat DOESN'T heel over enough for them to dig in.