| Re: Smaller sail for Hobie 16
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#127195 05/06/08 10:45 AM 05/06/08 10:45 AM |
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 40 Florida Kathryn
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Posts: 40 Florida | I used the 14 sail more for single handed sailing the 16 and this was many years ago when reefing the Hobie 16 was still the chosen method for depowering. I didn't want to put undue stress on my 16 sail so I used my 14 sail. Yes it tamed it down a lot. I am an avid racer and over the years have learned that a Hobie 16 with full sails is quite manageable in very heavy air. It is all a matter of loosening off the jib halyard until the windward hull is just skipping the top of the waves when going upwind sheeted in hard. It does take some self confidence but works amazingly well. Back to your concerns: the loose footed sail gives the opportunity to flatten or make the main sail fuller according to how hard you pull the outhaul. The outhaul on the 16 with the sail fed into the slot on the boom doesn't offer much control this way. Ideally, heavy air, you want all the strings TIGHT! The hobie 16 has no mast rotation control and in heavy air, you want your mast rotated to the stops anyway, so you would gain nothing by having any mast rotator control for heavy air. (A Hobie 18 has diamond wires which puts prebend in your mast, making your sail flatter, and you would want the 18 mast with less rotation for depowering in heavy air. Without diamond wires and prebend, your mast bends more when fully rotated, allowing for a flatter sail.)
Kathryn Garlick
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| | | Re: Smaller sail for Hobie 16
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#127197 05/08/08 09:13 AM 05/08/08 09:13 AM |
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Posts: 40 Florida | Yes I do mean backing off the jib halyard which does loosen the rig. Sheet jib and main sheets in hard for upwind sailing. You may want to travel out the jib and main a bit too.
This method depowers a 16 beautifully.
Start out with your rig at your normal tension and mark the halyard at the black band. If you find the boat wants to fly a hull too much, loosen the jib halyard until the boat settles down and is quite manageable. You will need to head up into the wind each time you want to make an adjustment and then sail upwind again to test your setting. With the halyard marked you can easily see how much you have backed off the halyard and reset it if the wind drops.
Kathryn Garlick
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| | | Re: Smaller sail for Hobie 16
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#127200 05/08/08 03:35 PM 05/08/08 03:35 PM |
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Posts: 1,252 California | Is there a possibility in that case that the mast could come out of the socket? Yes. They also had issues of mast rotation stops missing. I had never seen anyone sail a 16 that way, but the local kids were fast. | | | Re: Smaller sail for Hobie 16
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#127202 05/09/08 10:52 AM 05/09/08 10:52 AM |
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Posts: 40 Florida | As Matt had described, slacking off the halyard is common, however he was describing much more radical slacking off than what has been normally done. In my years, I have not ever dismasted a 16 because of a loose rig; however, I did not have my rig as loose as Matt was describing. Last I talked with the Puerto Ricans, many of them were sailing in light and moderate air with their rigs loosened off. I tried it with great results too. Loosening off the jib halyard is a general setting for the sustained wind strength. Traveling the main and jib is what you do to handle the stronger puffs that overpower the boat for a short duration.
Kathryn Garlick
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| | | Re: Smaller sail for Hobie 16
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#127203 05/09/08 11:07 AM 05/09/08 11:07 AM |
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Posts: 40 Florida | Actually, Matt, I do recall that Worlds. The winds were awesome. I recall there were some specific instructions we were to follow with securing the jib halyards and how many wraps were allowed around the cleat. (Not enough by the way.) I also think we were requested to secure the masts to the boats because of the radical rake that was being used.
Kathryn Garlick
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| | | Re: Smaller sail for Hobie 16
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#127206 10/03/08 07:38 PM 10/03/08 07:38 PM |
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 19 Mayport, FL BLMay
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Posts: 19 Mayport, FL | I use a boomless mainsail from a Gcat, it's way shorter than my Hobie's original and allows me to take novices out without them getting knocked in the head. I raise it all the way up the mast, putting it well above everyone's head. I still get good speed as the winds pick up, although it tries to curl up in winds over 20kts. It depowers easily and I know there won't be any capsizing even singlehanded. That's it in my avatar pic.
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