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#133827 03/06/08 10:39 AM 03/06/08 10:39 AM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | Ok got it - thanks. I did read a little quickly. | | | Re: Update on boats for 2012 Olympics
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#133829 03/06/08 10:46 AM 03/06/08 10:46 AM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | A legitimate request - some of ths has been confidential information as strategies were developed, but much of it is out in the open now.
Currently, as the March 15th deadline looms, several multihull platforms are being submitted as equipment for selection. The range of performance and cost is broad and meets any criteria that ISAF may finally settle upon. At the same time, multiple submissions from multiple MNAs have been authored for the mid-year meeting that directly challenge the matter of "urgency," require the application of rules associated with appealing the November vote on events, and specifically address the change in voting methods introduced by the US delegation. This effort is being coordinated on an international scale to provide coherence and consistency of message. All of this is supported by providing a well-qualified, articulate, unbiased and informed representative that will be present at ISAF meetings.
Chances of overturning the Estoril vote had been declining, but due to the efforts of sevenal key people around the world, renewed interest by the public from exposure in blogs, newsletters and magazines, and strangely enough by the wording in ISAF's own meeting minutes and regulations, I think that the tide is once again turning.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#133831 03/06/08 11:03 AM 03/06/08 11:03 AM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Hi Mary - that was my reply to Rex's post above: A specific, actionable strategy, with timelines and decision scenarios would be useful for some comments. The ISAF have proven their tactical ability in steering this away from us. What is the plan of the MH community representatives?
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#133833 03/06/08 11:18 AM 03/06/08 11:18 AM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Let's see... first you could start some sort of newsletter tailored for multihull sailors of all sorts. Oh, you did that? Ok. Well, maybe you could help run some regattas - pick a class you like and put on some events. What? You already do that, too? Oh. Well, if you really want to help out, why not set up some sort of internet-based forum so that sailors from all over the world can communicate intantly with one another and... huh? Oh. Heh heh... of course. Well then - five stars for you.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#133835 03/06/08 11:30 AM 03/06/08 11:30 AM |
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Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway | It was posted in an earlier post by rexdenton PRESIDENT Jacques Rogge............................. Belgium
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Gunilla Lindberg............................. Sweden Lambis V. Nikolaou............................. Greece Chiharu Igaya............................. Japan Thomas Bach............................. Germany
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Gerhard Heiberg............................. Norway Denis Oswald............................. Switzerland Mario Vázquez Raña............................. Mexico Ottavio Cinquanta............................. Italy Sergey Bubka............................. Ukraine Zaiqing Yu............................. People's Republic of China Richard L. Carrión............................. Puerto Rico Ser Miang Ng............................. Singapore Mario Pescante............................. Italia Sam Ramsamy............................. South Africa
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Executive Board Château de Vidy 1007 Lausanne Switzerland This is the IOC, the guys with the real power over the games. A polite letter saying that you will miss the multihulls (and female high-performance dinghy) in the games can not hurt. Or what John? BTW: Mr. Heiberg from Norway is both approachable and smart. Offending him would not be a good move, but showing a groundswell of interest would raise some questions. | | | Re: Update on boats for 2012 Olympics
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#133838 03/06/08 11:42 AM 03/06/08 11:42 AM | Anonymous
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#133839 03/06/08 11:51 AM 03/06/08 11:51 AM |
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Posts: 297 | Just somebody please tell me exactly what I can do, and how. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Mary, The best thing that you and Rick and everyone else with an interest is keep the topic on the board hot, urge fellow sailors to lobby the IOC to keep the pressure on the ISAF. It is pretty clear that the ISAF are not going to consider the MH community voice significant. I hope that with some effective lobbying on our part, the IOC can see through this and re-state their prior expectations for Olympic yachting to be exciting. Lest the ISAF EC look incredibly foolish before the IOC, they can be expected to take a strategy of burying their lousy Estoril decision in a procedural technicality (definition of 'urgent-honestly!). By keeping the topic hot on your boards here at catsailor.com, and by all of us lobbying the IOC executive board (Note to all!! Be Polite to the IOC!!) the pressure will remain on the ISAF MNA's and EC members to address the issue in an appropriate forum rather than allow a dismissal through a deceptive expedient(the rather incredible request of defintion of the word 'Urgent') by the ISAF Exec Cmte. The seem to be counting on the 'cure' needed to get them out of the mess will be time ('time will heal the MH communities wounds'). By digging in, ISAF EC have begun to look less like emissaries for the sport of yachting and more like politicians. It is worth letting the IOC know that the ISAF got rid of one of the most exciting boats in the sport of yachting. The ISAF now counts on this issue to die down in the MH community. If that happens, it quietly lets them off the hook for their messy, poorly planned, poorly executed decision process shown in Estoril. R
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#133840 03/06/08 11:53 AM 03/06/08 11:53 AM |
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Posts: 297 | There is no email address for the IOC. You have to send a letter or fax. R
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#133841 03/06/08 11:54 AM 03/06/08 11:54 AM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | I dont think the IOC want emails. A real letter means a lot more. No. 1, I don't think people these days are going to go to the trouble of sending a letter by snailmail, and it is expensive sending it from other places around the world. No. 2, If you send a snailmail, how would we know that it is getting passed on to the person(s) we want to read it? Obviously, snailmail is going to be filtered by the Executive Secretary. Maybe if they gave their actual addresses for receiving real mail, that would be different. But we really need e-mail addresses if they REALLY want to hear what sailors are saying. They DO have e-mail in Europe, don't they? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> For the US Sailing people, all you have to do is click on their names, and you automatically can send them an e-mail. That's GOOD! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> | | | Re: Update on boats for 2012 Olympics
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#133842 03/06/08 12:03 PM 03/06/08 12:03 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Mary, you're a dear and I'll never take away the stars I gave you. But you asked a question and got an answer. Your response seems to be, and I'm paraphrasing, that sending a letter is too much trouble, too expensive and probably won't do any good. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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#133844 03/06/08 12:11 PM 03/06/08 12:11 PM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Mary, you're a dear and I'll never take away the stars I gave you. But you asked a question and got an answer. Your response seems to be, and I'm paraphrasing, that sending a letter is too much trouble, too expensive and probably won't do any good. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Yes, that's EXACTLY what I am saying. If you want a lot of people to respond about an issue, you have to make it easy for them and give them a way to do it directly to a person who has some control or influence over the issue. | | | Re: Update on boats for 2012 Olympics
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#133845 03/06/08 12:26 PM 03/06/08 12:26 PM |
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | I understand what you mean. However, to say that the last e-mail campaign to IOC on this matter was not well-recieved is understating the point. Rolf's right - they don't publish e-mail contact info for a reason. I suggest that if writing a letter is not something people are willing to do, then we have a pretty good approximation of how much this issue really means to them.
John Williams
- The harder you practice, the luckier you get - Gary Player, pro golfer
After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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