On a recent holiday abroad we were attempting to learn a new sport, a group of young girls and group of middle agish men. Things were going horribly wrong and the instructor was overheard saying to one of his mates who had arrived " why should he be bothered to teach old fat men". At no stage did the youngish instructor acknowledge that his teaching methods would have to be modified to suite old fat men ( in my case probably true ).

Now looking at a lot of the posts on this forum of late there seems to be almost the same age divide, youngish people looking in making comments without any thoughts on what exactly the makeup of the owners of F16 boats are and what exactly their requirements are in owning a F16 boat.

My question is to this forum is that from what I see and read the majority of owners are not youngish, mainly a little portly by looking at weights being mentioned and generally quite skilled and seasoned sailors. Is this why we have such conflicting views with the likes of Macca and Sue who probably have a whole different requirement and approach to the sport. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Age: 59 and holding
wt: 220 lbs.

I've found the differences to be more values than age. Younger people, IMO, seem to feel "entitled". Also, I find that I get along better with men who have had some military experience.

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hobbies include combing my hair, brushing my teeth and my favorite color is clear

Now guys I'm not really interested in your inside leg measurements and what you brush your hair with, rather the question of age gap and the corresponding views of the young and old ) ish )

my "views"
dunno. I think there should be a middle ground. The whole thing shouldn't be an all out kamikaze fest where common sense goes out the window but I also don't think we should bend over backward to make things supersafe with no possibility of ANYTHING going wrong or someone getting hurt.

It would be like me trying to learn how to do crazy bike tricks or sketeboard tricks. Can I do it? Should I be "allowed" to? Yes, but I can hardly blame anyone when I fall and break my head because I am not as flexible, etc, as I once was.

I have found there are very few "young" people (less than 30) who can afford a $15,000 toy. I think this is why we see so many of us are in our 30's-40's on up.

Also, as has been beaten to death here, the Mono Clubs have a better system of taking a child from age 8-18 in their Opti, Laser, 420-470 programs, and it's not until these "kids" get out on a bigger boat and see beach cats screaming by them at 3x the speed that they even consider buying a cat, and then they can't afford it until after they are wed, bought the house, car, paid for the kiddies, the horses ( <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />) and everything else that comes along with "Growing Up". After all of that, then maybe, if they still have interest, they can consider buying a cat.

Were these "youngsters" teaching windsurfing by any chance? I've found most of those guys are idiots and don't even understand apparant wind principles.

Oh, and I do windsurf, or used to, when I was "young". <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

"youngish people looking in making comments without any thoughts on what exactly the makeup of the owners of F16 boats are and what exactly their requirements are in owning a F16 boat."

Gosh, if your bias represents what the F16 class is all about, I fear for the future of this class.

I know thoughtless people of all ages, don't see what this has to do with young people or old people for that matter. And since the title includes gender, I don't see how being thoughtless has anything to do with being male or female either.

Finally, while I have no idea who Sue or Macca are, I hope we would be open minded enough to think they could be/are world class sailors no matter whether they are young or old, male or female and their views should matter too or at least be heard too.

Trying to keep this directly related to sailing rather than commonalities eg solo sailing is crucial to me as I want to be able to sail as and when I can rather than complicate things with a crew, do the young want crewed boats more as they like company more, this type of thing

ckuang, there is no bias to my question, I like young and old people alike, just need to understand more on why people make comments rather than thinking things through. Is there an age basis, I don't really know, just interested. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Wait until you get to know Macca a little better. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

With any stereotype, it is the degree too which the stereotype is accurate that matters. Most of the conflict I have encountered has been with younger males with no military experience. That is not to say I feel that ALL young men absent military experience are a problem.

Indeed, most of the people I've met in the sailing community are very nice. Without regard to age or gender.

Another "stereotype" I've noticed is that "sailor ladies" on average are better than men. There are four women I sail against on a regular basis, all are much more skilled than I. And better looking too! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Oh By The Way, the title of this thread is "Age and Gender of those OWNING F16 boats."

Neither Macca or Sue own a F16 as far as I know, unless you call that thing Macca bought an F16. I guess a Hobie 16 might also qualify? It wouldn't win any races but it might measure in. Is that a F16? Anything that "measures in"?

Age 48, Male, previous military officer... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I am previous military too... thankfully previous and no longer current <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Now you've done it! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I quess there was some drama in Hobie land about a spin for the 16 being class legal. Maybe we should invite all those folks!

Age 31, currently serving my country PROUDLY in the US Coast Guard and will continue until they tell me to get the heck out.

Purchased my first blade when I was 28, I think I might be the youngest of the crowd.

gender: male + female
age: 26
weight: 135 kg

my dad sails 1-up:
age: 63

Regards,
Gill

I should have been a coastie!

RLY! isnt there a name for that type of condition? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />


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Just messing with ya! ahhahahahah

Yikes! Gilo has both sets! <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Andi was former miltary too. And Gilo, I think you should get that checked out... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I tried to get into the Coast Guard Academy but flunked the spelling test... <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> So I went into the Air Force, all we needed to do was to land, on land.

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http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m60.htm

www.redstone.army.mil/history/systems/REDEYE.html