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Posts: 1,187 38.912, -95.37 | OK...with all the whys and wherefore aside (since we know, ad nauseum, the suspected, or real, causes), what are the specific predictions for weather patterns, due to GW? The earth will still rotate, so what's the forecast? Do the winds slow down all over the world?
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Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | The earth will still rotate, so what's the forecast? Do the winds slow down all over the world? That is the question. If there is global warming, does that mean more wind or less wind? If there is global cooling, does that mean more wind or less wind? And not only that, how would global warming or global cooling affect beach area for cat sailing? Those are the things inquiring catsailor minds want to know. | | | Re: Question for Global Warming Skeptics
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Posts: 493 Minnesota | (Time to get this thread back on track.)
To the Skeptics who took my question seriously, thank you. I would like to return to the original question. So far, it appears that the level of scientific evidence that could chamge your opinions has not been met. Some of you believe the warming is real, but natural; others are skeptical of the existance of warming. --Question: If many of your favored scientists changed their positions, would that affect your personal opinion?
Global warming theory predicts a variety of future adverse events. If some of these events start appearing, would that affect your personal opinion? How severe would those events need to be to cause you concern? As examples:
--Would a complete summer melt-out of the Arctic sea ice, within the next ten years, cause concern?
--Would a one foot rise in sea level by the year 2025 cause concern?
Thank you for taking my questions as sincere. And, yes there are events that could cause me to reconsider my current opinion. A 15-year cooling period, with advancing glaciers, could have me rethinking. But, a 5-year cooling period after a volcanic eruption wouldn’t sway me.
Jeff Peterson H-16 Sail #23721 Big Marine Lake, MN
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Posts: 1,479 Thailand | Well regardless of the conspiracy theory, there is no denying the negative impact man has had on the planet Earth. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
"House prices have risen by nearly 25 percent over the past two years. Although speculative activity has increased in some areas, at a national level these price increases largely reflect strong economic fundamentals." – Ben Bernanke – 2005
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Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway | Clayton,
it is more a matter of icing down under one large glacier called "Norway" than flooding. Once Greenland really was green, a thousand years ago. Same for Svalbard further back in time, which was tropic. I dont want to live and see similar changes in our climate or in my childrens time.
For a guy who at least knows what the internet is, flying around spending the energy he does is quite hipocritic. Norwegian politicians are no better. They dream up all kind of restrictions and "environment taxes" which they calls "fees" to save the environment and makes the common public pay. These taxes are added to hydroelectric power (go figure), new cars, fuel, airfare etc. etc. With the other hand they let oil companies pumping black gold out of the north sea get away with power stations based on gas, and even burning off excess gas pressure in "flame towers. All without taxing or restrictions. Politicians are into it for money power, and they will not go against the large companies before they start to loose votes big time. They are all the same, funny enough. | | | Re: Question for Global Warming Skeptics
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#137089 03/25/08 05:46 AM 03/25/08 05:46 AM |
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Posts: 1,383 Kingston SE South Australia | Jeff your sample period is too short to confirm global warming. We have just exceeded our hottest spell recorded since 1935 I assume that global warming rose and fell between then and now. Old fences on the Coorong and river Murray are being exposed due to global warming, I assume that the fencing contractors used submarines 50 years ago. The credibility of scientists should be seriously questioned now, the money and fame goes with being on the warming bandwagon which gets all the press. There is no difinative proof about global warming but I can plant some trees for you ( for a fee ) to offset your computer use, what a crock of sh&*%$^ regards
Jeff Southall Current boats Nacra 5.8 1703 Animal Scanning Services Nacra 5.8 1667 Ram Raider Nacra 18 Square Arrow 1576
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Posts: 1,479 Thailand | OK, now take a deep breath and relax. No sense in getting all worked up over nothing.<img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
"House prices have risen by nearly 25 percent over the past two years. Although speculative activity has increased in some areas, at a national level these price increases largely reflect strong economic fundamentals." – Ben Bernanke – 2005
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#137092 03/25/08 07:37 AM 03/25/08 07:37 AM |
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Posts: 88 South Australia | There is no difinative proof about global warming but I can plant some trees for you ( for a fee ) to offset your computer use, what a crock of sh&*%$^ regards What a well thought (and spelt), intelligent response. The world needs more troglodytes like you, I don't think. | | | Re: Question for Global Warming Skeptics
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#137093 03/25/08 08:01 AM 03/25/08 08:01 AM |
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Posts: 88 South Australia | Maybe more people would be worried about global warming if we didn't have the benefit of air conditioning. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> The original post or subject does not warrant such flippant comments. The issue is not necessarily one of global warming, but rather climate change with a resultant increase in extreme weather events (drought, flood, storms, low temperatures, high temperatures). We are all paying for these events now through higher insurance premiums. | | | Re: Question for Global Warming Skeptics
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#137094 03/25/08 08:15 AM 03/25/08 08:15 AM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | I was not being flippant. I just think that a lot of people go from their air conditioned houses to their air conditioned cars to their air conditioned offices and to their air conditioned malls and just don't spend much time in the outside environment, so they would not even notice if things were getting hotter.
The original question was about what it would take to convince people that manmade global warming is real. So I guess one of my answers to that question would be: Turn off the air conditioning. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
But, then, of course, there are the people up north who are digging out of record snowfalls, and it is hard to convince them, too, about global warming. | | | Re: Question for Global Warming Skeptics
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Posts: 4,118 Northfield Mn | Maybe more people would be worried about global warming if we didn't have the benefit of air conditioning. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> Or maybe if I didn't have to use 1500 gallons of Propane to heat my home annually. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> | | | Re: Question for Global Warming Skeptics
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Posts: 1,383 Kingston SE South Australia | You hit the nail on the head Phile, everyone that doesn't believe in Global Warming is an uneducated troglodyte
Jeff Southall Current boats Nacra 5.8 1703 Animal Scanning Services Nacra 5.8 1667 Ram Raider Nacra 18 Square Arrow 1576
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