| Re: How to measure VMG for your own cat
[Re: slosail]
#137809 04/07/08 01:59 AM 04/07/08 01:59 AM |
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 951 Brisbane, Queensland, Australi... ncik
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Posts: 951 Brisbane, Queensland, Australi... | VMG in terms of sailing isn't measured to a single mark, that is just how some non-sailing GPS devices define it. Even the very first popular sailing GPS, the Velocitek, required two points to be marked that defined a wind angle. One point directly to windward of the other. It didn't matter where these points were marked, as long as they reasonably defined the wind direction. If the wind direction changed, you'd have to mark two more points that defined the new wind direction. The old devices required you to sail to two points and press a button to mark it, but now the latest device only requires you to dial a wind direction into it, no point marking required. VMG is extremely closely tied to polar plots and wind direction. This is the best diagrammatic definition of VMG I can find at the moment... Velocitek VMG You can easily calculate VMG from a polar plot, just draw a horizontal line from the very top peak and bottom peak of the curve across to the vertical axis. Where they cross are the upwind and downwind VMG targets. Go back to the very top and bottom peaks and read off the actual boat speed to find what most ppl call the target speed, the actual speed you try to sail at to maintain optimum VMG. | | | Re: How to measure VMG for your own cat
[Re: ncik]
#137810 04/07/08 12:35 PM 04/07/08 12:35 PM |
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Posts: 34 Central California | Hmm, thanks ncik, that's a good diagram and explanation, and with a windsurfer in it. Does this mean sailors rely on windsurfers for technical instruction and advances, as we always suspected? (Note: JUST KIDDING!)
The Velocitek diagram assumes that the windward and leeward marks are lined up with wind direction, thus ignoring the shifts. I still see a difference between two things:
1. VMG as measured with a GPS only, with respect to fixed point(s). Here, how you play the shifts is critically important, often more so than boatspeed.
2. Velocity with respect to actual, changing wind direction. This would take out the effect of wind shifts.
I suspect that training for #1 would make one a better tactician, and #2 a better trimmer. I further suspect that most experienced sailors know quite well the significance of both these measures but don't really care for describing them mathematically. However, if one is interested in perhaps designing a system to improve training, relating the experience to some math is necessary. Your help in linking the math[s] (my thing) to what matters on the water (just learning) is appreciated. | | | Re: How to measure VMG for your own cat
[Re: slosail]
#137811 04/07/08 05:23 PM 04/07/08 05:23 PM |
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 951 Brisbane, Queensland, Australi... ncik
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Posts: 951 Brisbane, Queensland, Australi... | Mathematically, VMG is the vector component of your boat speed that is directly into the wind.
Velocity Made Good = Boat Speed * cos(True Wind Angle relative to your boats direction of travel)
VMG should not be mixed up with shifts and other stuff, it is just a measure of how fast you are sailing upwind or downwind. The words "upwind" and "downwind" are critical to understand, marks of the course are not important to VMG calculation, shifts are not important to VMG calculations.
1. VMG shouldn't be related to fixed points, it isn't necessary and only confuses the issue. Boatspeed and playing the shifts are both important. 99% of the time you should be sailing as fast as possible, ie. max VMG.
2. That is what VMG is useful for, it ignores windshifts.
It is interesting that generally with cats that have tacking angles higher than 90 degrees, you have to sail away from the mark you are trying to make when getting close to the layline.
Try drawing a diagram, it makes understanding VMG much easier.
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[Re: slosail]
#137813 04/07/08 11:30 PM 04/07/08 11:30 PM |
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 951 Brisbane, Queensland, Australi... ncik
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Posts: 951 Brisbane, Queensland, Australi... | GPS based VMG can still be "useful" but you need to know its limitations and pitfalls. It becomes more useful the longer you use it. Keeping a sailing diary with all the usual things and adding GPS tracks will help with any training. There's more than just polars that can be obtained from GPS data. It gets even harder when you get to measuring instantaneous wind angle because of wind shear, mast rotation (if you have a mast mounted wind sensor), pitching, etc... A previous thread ...and another...
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[Re: Gilo]
#137817 04/08/08 04:58 PM 04/08/08 04:58 PM |
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Posts: 951 Brisbane, Queensland, Australi... | That polar was generated from GPS data collected in one afternoon of racing, but can't remember if it was one or two races. It took a while to get something that looked "clean"; tacks and gybes were removed, pre-start and post-finish was removed, messy bits were removed. Then I adjusted the wind angle to "balance" both sides of the plot.
I've thought about how to generate a cleaner polar plot from GPS data and came up with the following method.
- Pick a time close to high or low tide. - Head out to a big open area with a fairly steady breeze and conditions. - Go head to wind and measure the wind speed. - Start recording with the GPS (or use this point as the beginning of you polar generation "run") - Bear away and get up to speed on a close hauled pinching course. - Bear away again, reasonably steadily, and work hard to obtain your maximum speed as you're bearing away. - Keep bearing away until you gybe, then round back up again to close hauled pinching. - Go head to wind and measure the wind speed again. (don't worry about direction too much, just get it from the plot when you balance it) - This should take about 2-5 mins depending on conditions. - Use only this loop to generate the polar. - Take more time when coming up from a reach to close hauled because you will bring "latent" apparent wind speed with you. - Setting the kite will change this procedure a bit. - Do it again, maybe in the other direction so it is more of an experimental process and is repeatable. - Change some settings and repeat, including measuring the wind speed before and after the loops.
When it comes time to process the data on the computer you will easily see the times you measured the wind speed, set the kite, etc.
That is probably a better methodology than just collecting heaps of GPS race data. | | | Re: How to measure VMG for your own cat
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#137818 04/09/08 12:41 PM 04/09/08 12:41 PM |
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 1,200 Vancouver, BC Tornado
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Posts: 1,200 Vancouver, BC | Yes, the Nauteek SC200 looks a lot better than the Velocitek S1. It's more money...but seems to have better on the water functions and display modes, better waterproofness (not in a separate box) and easier to use buttons with menus. It determines true upwind direction (TUD) by dividing your tacking angles or you can enter a compass heading. There's a new firmware out that allows waypoints & routes...so it now becomes useful for distance racing. Also has a man overboard mode to help you get back to the same place you dropped your crew :-) Backlighting is a nice feature as well. Seems to be under $600 in the US from a couple of distributors. What do you guys think about this thing? I dont think that any device on the market has more features. At €550 its not exactly cheap, but on the other hand a separate GPS and Tacktick adds up to the same amount. http://www.nauteek.com/EN/index.php?page=3&prod=2
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[Re: Gilo]
#137819 04/09/08 04:18 PM 04/09/08 04:18 PM |
Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 67 Netherlands geert
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Posts: 67 Netherlands | Gill,
Checking VMG is probably not really interesting, during a regatta, like Matt said already. Of course the GPS doesn't know the changes in wind direction. You would need a wind indicator on you boat and feed that information to the GPS. That could make it accurate and is what they do on the "big" boats. Still waiting for someone to do this for a beach cat, and affordable <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Ncik’s way of getting VMG is quite good, I think, but will take some time. An other thing we can do is get a track, pick a part with just one tack and 2 legs , with as little changes in direction as possible. GpsAR should calculate the right VMG. Then take the average VMG of both tacks and you should be very close.(if there is no current)
GpsAR takes an average wind direction for the complete track, so VMG can be a fair bit off when the wind shifts during a regatta. So better not take the average of a complete track.
When someone is interested, I’ll take an extra GPS with me to Mumbles.
And while we’re at it, I wouldn’t be too happy if a GPS would be banned. In my case (Garmin foretrex 101) it’s also my starting watch and that works pretty well. And the GPS won’t help you winning a regatta anyway. Just nice for analyzing what happened, after the race and for training purposes.
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