http://www.bimare.net/x16fra/

The new design is the one equipped with the bigger asymmetric and the snuffer.
Instead the old Javelin 16 is equipped with the small furling gennaker.
The retail price is unchanged (slightly under EUR 12,000 for the complete boat with beach dolley)

I notice his spinnaker head does not go all the way to the mast, just like mine and many other F16's I've seen. Can we get a bigger spinnaker, or a taller spinnaker, or move the hosit point down or something? Why do all our spinnakers not reach the mast when we have them all the way down at the tack? Is there some measurement rule that needs to be adjusted? I cannot move my pole up to accomodate it, I cannot move my halyard block any lower either, I still have about 6" too much air up there between the head of the spin. and the hoist block, just like in that picture.

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Timbo,
The rules have a maximum hoist height, which I believe is measured from the front beam but I'm not positive. Also, there's a minimum girth rule for the spinnaker dimensions. So your sailmaker can certainly make you a kite that is hoisted all the way to the maximum hoist height; mine goes right up to the halyard block.

Catfan,
Very nice looking boat. Is there a US dealer for the Bim X-16? Does is fit in the F-16 rules or is the mast still too tall? Thanks.

Hi,

My spin goes all the way up so now problem there. I also saw a lot of the F18 at Carnac with their spin a little lower on purpose (because they had a knot in their halyard). Any theories if this is better, worse?

From what I heard, the X16 doesn't fit the F16 rules at the moment but it could be that they would optimise it as F16 1-up (but will never be fitted for a 2-up because it will never have a jib).

They were pretty fast at Carnac by the way.

Regards,
Gill

I guess my question is; is there a maximum spinnaker luff length (I'm sure there must be) and if my spinn is at the maximum luff length (assume) and my hoist is at the maximum, then I need to raise my pole tip somehow, to get the tack at the tip while the head is at the hoist block, because right now it's about 6" short. I guess I would have to cut my jib lower rod a few inches (where the pole connects to the jib strut) to get that pole tip up? Or get some Viagra for my spin pole? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Gilo, I too have a knot (and twing ball) on my halyard to keep me from raising it too high (too tight a luff) since it doesn't reach the hoist block if the tack is at the pole tip. Maybe that's why they are doing it?

Tim, when I owned my blade, the first spin pole I had was short by six inches. With this shorter spin pole I could hoist my spinnaker all the way up. When I had to replace the pole I went to max length which is 12ft, but now my spinnaker would not reach the top. If I hoisted it all the way up it would bend the pole upwards. So I had to leave around six to eight inches off from the top.

First pole.

Hmm, MarkP would you like to say anything here?

Second pole

Thanks Robi, now that I think about it, cutting the pole back a little might also help keep my leach from flapping too. I will have to go measure it.

Please return all trophies and (especially) prize money you earned with your 12 foot genaker pole. You can write me a check for the prize money. I'll "hold" it while on appeal. <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Max genaker pole length is 11.45 feet (3.5m).

Timbo,

if your leech is flapping there are several other things to try before you shorten your spi pole. First thing is to assess the state of the spi and perhaps tighten the leech line a bit. A small hook to windward in the leech is better than a flapping leech. If that dont help, you think the spi is not worn out and your mast rake is OK, I would have looked at spi block positioning.

Sorry for going off topic.

The Bim X16 does not measure as an F16 as the mast is too long and thus the luff length of the mainsail is also too long.

Rolf, to me it looked like the spin block on the hull might need to go forward about 6" to get the leach to stop flapping, I don't think I have a leach line in it, only a luff line. It really only flaps when I'm trying to point, it might be blown out though, it is a year old and saw some high wind in a few regattas. Might be time for a new one.

I'm going to measure the pole for the 11.45 feet and try playing with the blocks, maybe hold the sheet forward and see if that helps.

The quickest thing to implement is probably installing a leech line. Just tie off a 1mm spectra line to the head grommet. Lead the line inside the tape and tie it off at the clew grommet. If it works well, install a web loop to tie off the line if you have to.

What do you mean by point? Going high to build virtual wind? I think it was Mike who pointed out earlier that if you dont hoist the spi to the designated height, it will be flatter than designed . The extra cloth have to go somewhere, and typically it is the leech. How about trying to hoist the spi until the luff is so tight that you can turn your fist only 45 degrees if you grab the luff, go sailing and try to point?

Was the spi fine to begin with, and did you change anything like mast rake just before you noticed this?

Please contact Matt at vectorworks. I was going off what he informed me and what he provided

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Hi Rolf
All I would like to say is that Beer and sailing fast in my case no longer work!!!!! and my GP Kite is extremely good and without which I would have needed surgery to lick my EurOcat wounds...5-5 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Owned? Have you relinquished ownership?

What happened; did you buy a Capricon?

GARY

Rolf, by point I meant going high in medium to light wind to try to get the hull up. I always let off some halyard when doing that to flatten the entry as described earlier. I don't recall the leach flapping 6mo. ago so maybe it is stretched out from the winter racing in big wind. I will try to install a leach line, see what happens, and check on the pole length, but I don't think cutting only 6" off it will fix the tack to hoist block issue. I do try to set the luff tension so I can twist my fist 90 degrees on the beach.

Yes and No. Yes I sold my blade back in October. She is currently sailed in South Carolina.

And no I have not purchased the capricorn YET <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Ahh, are you getting old Mark? <img src="http://www.catsailor.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Usually a sure sign of age catching up to you that.. What I really want to see in a picture is the flying shape of your new spi.


Timbo, a one year spi should last a while unless you sail a lot. Letting out on the halyard to flatten the spi entry so you can go higher will cause the leech to flap, that is my experience as well. We never did that on new spis, only old beaters. If you are trying for best downwind VMG, it might be better to let the spi keep its designed shape, bite the bullet and not go wild. Many times VMG is better with "low and slow" in my experience. On distance races or races around fixed marks we have flattened the spi to try and use it as a Code0 sail in weak winds.


Robi, good luck with the F18 project. Hope you keep up as an ambassadour for the F16 class. I have to quote from the norwegian "mountain safety guidelines":
1: There is no shame in turning back
2: Turn back in time
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