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Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: Jake] #273734
07/06/14 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by John Williams
Shafer did it on the Tommy Bahama boat by having the tether free to move on a guide that ran from the front beam to the aft, and from port to starboard as I recall. The tether, which attached to the trapeze harness only had to be long enough to stand. From the water, the stern of the boat was still in arm's reach.


I see a chicken line, like what Shafer had (and we use), and a tether as different things. The prusik knot on a leader strung between beams works well to prevent waves from knocking you off the boat while on the wire...but we don't stay hooked into that when sitting on the deck or tacking/gybing. I try to configure mine with a quick release so you can get out of them in most situations. It's use is a little different than what monohullers commonly think of as a "tether" but perhaps if the OAs see them as a similar item we might find some common ground.


That post was from 2008 , skippy.


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Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #273737
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Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever


That post was from 2008 , skippy.


Holy thread resurrection. And here I thought Williams came out of retirement to discuss Bert's tether requirement. ~sigh~


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Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: Jake] #273742
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Originally Posted by Jake
Originally Posted by Team_Cat_Fever


That post was from 2008 , skippy.


Holy thread resurrection. And here I thought Williams came out of retirement to discuss Bert's tether requirement. ~sigh~




~6 years later and no-one has developed anything new.......

I'll take your ~sigh~ and raise it to a *sad*

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Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: Jake] #273746
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FWIW - Jake and all, that is not my tether requirement. That is an item we added during our formation of the GYA/US Sailing MHC Safety Recommendations, which have been a work in progress, primarily with Chuck Hawley and Randy Smyth. Jonathan Farrar encouraged the use of synthetic trapeze wires because some classes were still requiring stainless in their Class Rules for the Tybee, and stainless can not be cut with a personal knife.
We fine tuned the recommendations under Mr. Hawley's guidance.

Safety harness and tether with quick release device at user’s end, for each crewmember. (5.02.1)
If I could add attachments, I would send you Chuck's compilation. If someone would be kind enough to send me the trick for attachments via PM, then I could share the document.

This does not require constant use, but does support the ability to tether when in doubt.

This recommendation is a feature, modifiable by the owner, and the ultimate tethering system is still being developed. As boats have become faster, the design has required refining from the old Forespar straps and heavy buckles/clips we used on displacement boats.

I see no reason that a properly rigged "chicken" line could not serve the purpose. We have used those in the past, and many catamaran sailors still use them.

Just sayin' again: it is not Bert's ruling.

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Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: Will_R] #273940
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I 'resurected it', 'cause I goggled Dean, and it brought me back here.

So, Anyone know of Dean Pakune, last living in FL? Was in Galveston?


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Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: Will_R] #275703
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Just got the July/AUG 2104 issue of CatSailor and read all the inputs on tethering. It seems that no one is fully happy with any of the proposed or previously tried jackline and tether methods.

If we look to kitesurfing we might find a couple of good devices. This sport was known for how dangerous it could be until they figured out the combination of automatic depower and a tether that is easily released under load if all hell breaks loose.
1) They don't have an ability to cleat in so power is automatically reduced by ~90% anytime you let go of the control bar. Unlike a mainsheet the control bar force required to hold a kite at maximum power is only about 10-15 pounds of pull. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7lsKTTiE0#t=260 for an example of letting go to reduce power momentarily.
2) If you need to force a stall of the kite (100% depower) you use the quick release #1 which stalls the kite sending it to the water lying on its back. At this point you are still tethered to the kite. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7lsKTTiE0#t=36
3) If all hell breaks loose and you need to cut the kite away, all you need to do is push away on the bypass release on your safety leash (tether). See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7lsKTTiE0#t=189

Note: Both safety releases disconnect with only about a 5 lb force when under a 200+ pound load.

Plus there is a retractable leash (like a dog's leash) that is built for salt water. This is used by some to tether their kiteboard to the rider when riding in open water. See: http://www.oceanustech.com/theeel.htm

Note: I am not endorsing either product or brand for beachcats. The videos are just representative examples to give ideas.

Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: Will_R] #275704
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Brilliant design. I can see this being used to help with some of the beachcat tethering issues. Will it easily release with a 1000+ lbs. load?


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Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: SeanT] #275706
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Originally Posted by SeanT
Just got the July/AUG 2104 issue of CatSailor and read all the inputs on tethering. It seems that no one is fully happy with any of the proposed or previously tried jackline and tether methods.

If we look to kitesurfing we might find a couple of good devices. This sport was known for how dangerous it could be until they figured out the combination of automatic depower and a tether that is easily released under load if all hell breaks loose.
1) They don't have an ability to cleat in so power is automatically reduced by ~90% anytime you let go of the control bar. Unlike a mainsheet the control bar force required to hold a kite at maximum power is only about 10-15 pounds of pull. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7lsKTTiE0#t=260 for an example of letting go to reduce power momentarily.
2) If you need to force a stall of the kite (100% depower) you use the quick release #1 which stalls the kite sending it to the water lying on its back. At this point you are still tethered to the kite. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7lsKTTiE0#t=36
3) If all hell breaks loose and you need to cut the kite away, all you need to do is push away on the bypass release on your safety leash (tether). See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY7lsKTTiE0#t=189

Note: Both safety releases disconnect with only about a 5 lb force when under a 200+ pound load.

Plus there is a retractable leash (like a dog's leash) that is built for salt water. This is used by some to tether their kiteboard to the rider when riding in open water. See: http://www.oceanustech.com/theeel.htm

Note: I am not endorsing either product or brand for beachcats. The videos are just representative examples to give ideas.


My hesitation with the tether is not in a situation when I need to depower - it's a situation where it's already too late and I've capsized and the boat is going turtle. There are already a lot of lines that you can get tangled to and I would rather not have another one intentionally connected to me.


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Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: P.M.] #275737
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I suspect a tethered person would be injured by a 1000 pound load. Regardless, the kite safety leash release force is based on unequal length lever arms so if you lengthen the longer arm you could probably maintain the 5 pound release force.

Re: Tethered to the boat? [Re: SeanT] #275772
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Since a few years, starting after sailing in a very severe winter, I use a tether to my cat.

Its a standard leashline from a kite (a long handle pass shockcord version). I have connected it with a noose to my sternbar (which could also be a tight line between the two hulls). The trick is that the noose can shift along this bar, because it is hold in the middle by a shockcord which runs from hull to hull.

So, when I fall overboard there is enough free space between me and the cat. Also when I capsize, I will not be hung up over the hullside because it will all stretch out far enough.

When I sail hanging out, the leash goes over the tiller under my steering arm to a ring just beyond my trapeze-hook. Its not in the way at all.

If necessary, I can detach myself from the the tether with the quick-release from the leashline. Which is also proven technique.




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On the last photo you also see two lines hanging over the side the hull. They are also safety lines.
One is fixed nonstrectch and is to be used as a grabbing line when falling overboard. And the other black/yellow one is connected to a shockcord (which runs via the frontbeam to the other side). So this thick line I can stretch out and use for stepping up when I want to go back on board after a capsize.

The only problem with all these measures is the mindsetting behind it. I now use my tether all the times, even if it is not strictly necessary. I simply feel insecure without it!

Last edited by northsea junkie; 10/07/14 12:50 AM.

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