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#150000 10/08/08 07:16 PM 10/08/08 07:16 PM |
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | ... for junior boats I really like the idea of being able to drop the sails with the boat and mast upright for safety reasons. Should shackled or pocket luff sails be allowed with this consideration. Having sailed a pocket luffed moth and knowing how difficult it is to be rescued with the mast still up, I am very tempted to have a clause to cover this. Makes sense to me. Maybe: "pocket luffs are allowed if the sail can be lowered at sea without removing the mast." I'm against the trapeze. It makes unstayed rigs slow (not competitive), the boat becomes more expensive, everything bcomes more complex and difficult, kids can get tangled... For the standard F12 class KISS is better. Adults may add a trapeze, jib, kite, hydrofoils and sail just for fun.
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#150001 10/08/08 07:56 PM 10/08/08 07:56 PM |
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Posts: 1,383 Kingston SE South Australia | Thats what I needed, the proper wording for each point. I don't think we can make lowering the sail at sea mandatory because it rules out the sleeved sail unstayed versions already planned. regards
Jeff Southall Current boats Nacra 5.8 1703 Animal Scanning Services Nacra 5.8 1667 Ram Raider Nacra 18 Square Arrow 1576
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#150004 10/08/08 08:35 PM 10/08/08 08:35 PM |
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Posts: 1,383 Kingston SE South Australia | We can exclude traps and seats unless someone else pipes up in support of them. regards
Jeff Southall Current boats Nacra 5.8 1703 Animal Scanning Services Nacra 5.8 1667 Ram Raider Nacra 18 Square Arrow 1576
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#150005 10/08/08 08:59 PM 10/08/08 08:59 PM | Anonymous
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Unregistered | RG my understanding is that the kiwis intend on fitting them. Is this the case? | | | Re: New Draft rule
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#150011 10/09/08 10:29 AM 10/09/08 10:29 AM |
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | The traps will not make this cat any faster . It can be sailed in almost all conditions without them even by a child of 35kg with the 7m2 sail. This is good to know. Note that if the F12 racing rules exclude the trapeze, it does not mean that one can't be fitted on some boats for fun or club racing (for instance). We have our own special local rules here for club racing. This also covers a jib, kite, hydrofoils and any other innovation. I just think it is prudent to keep the INITIAL F12 configuration as simple and cheap as possible. Home builders will certainly try modifications of all types. If a given modification becomes popular, the class can certainly add it to the class rules later. By the way: I will probably install a trapeze, kite and hydrofoils on my daughter's boat just for fun... Still, for the class I consider more prudent to adopt the simplest and cheapest configuration possible to foster growth. When my daughter decides to compete, all she has to do is revert to the basic configuration. No big deal.
Luiz
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#150017 10/10/08 02:17 AM 10/10/08 02:17 AM |
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Posts: 461 Victoria, Oztralia | I was going to keep my trap shut until I actually got mine at least to the hull built stage. But I'm with RG and some others on this.
One of the main attractions to this class is that it has to be heaps of fun. In my own opinion, to exclude the traps, would be taking away a fair chunk of fun.
I realise its been said that they could possibly be added later, but do you really want to stuff around with it later? If your design includes them, have them, if it doesn't, don't. Banning them or restricting them at this stage, when designers or builders have already committed to their design, I think its too late for such a rule.
The ship has sailed, so to speak.
Matt Harper
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