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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Really its just a conspiracy to get rid of the heavy teams. [/quote] I knew it!!!! p.s. I'm lighter than I look ,Hot air don't weigh much. [/quote] And those spindly tweezer legs offset some of the upper padding.
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#151463 08/06/08 04:14 PM 08/06/08 04:14 PM | Anonymous
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#151464 08/06/08 04:28 PM 08/06/08 04:28 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Really its just a conspiracy to get rid of the heavy teams. I knew it!!!! p.s. I'm lighter than I look ,Hot air don't weigh much. [/quote] And those spindly tweezer legs offset some of the upper padding. [/quote] Sounds like the Ooompah Looompah is jealous!
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | "I will be skippering for the first time. I will not win....I know that, but I'm still going. What is the "grand prize"? Pride in accomplishmnet overcoming challenges commraderie friendship bragging rights etc
If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one | | | Re: Dispelling a Tybee 500 Rumor
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#151466 08/06/08 04:33 PM 08/06/08 04:33 PM |
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Posts: 503 | "The reason F18's don't come is that they will not win"
That is a pretty lame excuse. This year I crewed on a boat, next year I will be skippering for the first time. I will not win....I know that, but I'm still going. This race is as much an adventure and test of will as a race. No doubt there is the adventure pool of sailors, but there is also the there to win pool. Windyhill, you need to just show up on the line with the TheMightyHobie18, official or not. Hey, you'll even save the entry fee. | | | Re: Dispelling a Tybee 500 Rumor
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#151467 08/06/08 04:34 PM 08/06/08 04:34 PM | Anonymous
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I can get most of those things going to the toilet! (just kiddin) | | | Re: Dispelling a Tybee 500 Rumor
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#151468 08/06/08 04:34 PM 08/06/08 04:34 PM |
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Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD | The reason F18's don't come is that they will not win; the N20's are faster.
Sponsers won't understand "first F18". They understand "FIRST".
People outside the US will not buy an N20 to compete. I'm not aware of a pool of charter boats.
If the race wants to expand and get people outside the US to come and play, it has to be something other than N20's.
Whats the most popular high performance 2 up boat with a Kite; The F18. Ok, my Tybee cred is very short, but: 1) If people are not coming to this race because they will not be first to the beach, then in my opinion they're talking smack and making excuses. These people should stick to OD regattas where no other classes are in sight to be happy, just to make sure no other boats are faster. In the first couple of attempts at this race most competitors list their goals as 1) Finishing and 2) not being last. Being first to the beach and winning is on everybody's mind, but if you stay home because you can't (especially if it is a boat class thing), then maybe you should stay home. 2) Sponsors for this race (as it exists now, anyway) in my experience are there for the ride, not the win. Given that almost all forms of racing has different classes, sponsors do understand first in class, and there are examples in racing to make a good argument. Further, for this race, media coverage in mainstream magazines and web coverage is where to make your case for sponsors - people watching from the beach won't matter. If your sponsors are in your home market, you need to make a case that the race being out of that market can still benefit them. 3) OoLaLa won on a chartered boat. People outside the US have raced the N20 in Tybee and Worrell. I suspect that if a team from abroad needed to find a boat for the race deals could be struck. Even if it was F-18, would the interest be such that people would ship their F-18s to the US for the race? If not, you're back to the charter boat scenario, and as noted there are far fewer F-18s here. 4) As pointed out, the F-18 scene on the East Coast is almost non-existent. Few people on the Chesapeake are even interested in them. The F-16 class seems to the be next high interest point, IMO. | | | Re: Dispelling a Tybee 500 Rumor
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I can get most of those things going to the toilet! (just kiddin) commraderie?? What are you in the navy? | | | Re: Dispelling a Tybee 500 Rumor
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#151472 08/06/08 07:53 PM 08/06/08 07:53 PM |
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Posts: 921 Alachua, FL | The way I see it there are several issues and they need to be addressed systematically and objectively.
1. First is the issue that participation needs to be higher than it has been recently for the race to be viable. What are the numbers? 15 ~ 30?
2. Assuming this as a true statement, what existing boats and racers are candidates and how do you draw them out?
3. With only the I-20 platform and possibly the F-18 as eligible that limits it pretty much to owners of these boats. 4. Several F-18 proponents have indicated the F-18 cannot hope for line honors, so why try.
5. There are many other fast beach cats that might come out if allowed to.
6. I find it hard to believe that with these stated goals…
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…that most teams are in it just for absolute line honors.
7. Obviously the I-20 needs to stay as the prime candidate for “top dog” since they have established a solid place in this event. It would make no sense to disallow the I-20 in hopes of drawing in a bigger fleet of F-18’s.
8. I would think that by using the I-20 rating as the standard (59.3 or whatever), that any boat rating higher should be considered. An arbitrary denial clause can be used in the case of any obvious attempt to bring in a “ringer”.
9. There could be two levels (20’ and 18’) using the I-20 and F-18 as the standards. Any cat rating above these numbers would race scratch in that class.
10. Limits on suitability would be applied to types of boats that, by design, would not be able to maintain a reasonable pace. Again, this would be totally arbitrary and based on common sense.
11. As an outsider I am reluctant to recommend changing anything other than fine tuning what already appears to be a very successful race. The 6 day format and general course appear to work well. Why change that? Changing the race itself won’t draw more boats. Making more types eligible just might.
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#151473 08/06/08 08:26 PM 08/06/08 08:26 PM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | "6. I find it hard to believe that with these stated goals…
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…that most teams are in it just for absolute line honors."
These are MY goals. I think each team that shows up for the race has their own set of goals and winning is certainly a goal for many of the teams that show up.
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#151474 08/06/08 09:55 PM 08/06/08 09:55 PM |
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Posts: 602 Wilmington,NC | "6. I find it hard to believe that with these stated goals…
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…that most teams are in it just for absolute line honors."
Those were my goals the first time I did the Worrell 1000, but after several distance races and thousands of dollars I would like to be able to win. The Great Texas uses the portsmouth rating and it seems to work for them. The first year of the GT there were a lot of I20's and now it is mostly F18 . If the Tybee 500 would use the portsmouth rating I think it would get more F18's and maybe more boats from overseas. | | | Re: Dispelling a Tybee 500 Rumor
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#151475 08/07/08 06:54 AM 08/07/08 06:54 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I talked with Chuck briefly last night (I had to cut it short) but Chuck says that if you guys want to man up and sail a boat that's ready available, sailed often, and has plenty of spares available, show up with Hobie 16s and hush!
(PS...that was ~mostly~ in jest).
He does think this is a good conversation.
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#151476 08/07/08 08:21 AM 08/07/08 08:21 AM |
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Posts: 921 Alachua, FL | Chuck says that if you guys want to man up and sail a boat that's ready available, sailed often, and has plenty of spares available, show up and hush!
OK...now I guess we need to start training...........!
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#151477 08/07/08 09:00 AM 08/07/08 09:00 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | "6. I find it hard to believe that with these stated goals…
Quote:________________________________________ Pride in accomplishment overcoming challenges commraderie friendship bragging rights etc
…that most teams are in it just for absolute line honors."
Those were my goals the first time I did the Worrell 1000, but after several distance races and thousands of dollars I would like to be able to win. The Great Texas uses the portsmouth rating and it seems to work for them. The first year of the GT there were a lot of I20's and now it is mostly F18 . If the Tybee 500 would use the portsmouth rating I think it would get more F18's and maybe more boats from overseas. Looks like the Great Texas has moved away from portsmouth (good idea IMO). Using a handicap system for a distance race at this level especially DPN would be a big step backwards. http://www.catsailor.com/forums/showthre...true#Post154006
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#151478 08/07/08 09:01 AM 08/07/08 09:01 AM |
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | I talked with Chuck briefly last night (I had to cut it short) but Chuck says that if you guys want to man up and sail a boat that's ready available, sailed often, and has plenty of spares available, show up with Hobie 16s and hush!
I can just see the Sean and the whole beach crew groaning. :P | | | Re: Dispelling a Tybee 500 Rumor
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#151481 08/07/08 10:22 AM 08/07/08 10:22 AM |
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | Tad, spare parts for the TheMightyHobie18 are available everywhere. I have 3 complete carcasses now. 2 spins and poles, 8 daggers, 4 pairs of rudders and 3 masts. What more could I need to enter safely?
If you can bring all those parts, great. However, thats not what the F18 team had. Had there been more of an F18 fleet presence, then the pool of spares grows geometrically. Its common sense. | | |
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