Trying these out today as I have been thinking they are a good idea for years on trailing edge of square tops. Chance for you to tell me how mentally challenged I am Wouts.
That looks very much like the wingtips on the Airbus 320 and 310! I have wondered if it would work on a sail. Let us know if you see any difference, I think it might need to be bigger though. http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=264848
The other thing I have thought about was adding vortex generators to the main about a foot back from the mast, for light air sailing.
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Re: Winglets on trailing edge
[Re: Tony_F18]
#155513 09/21/0812:47 AM09/21/0812:47 AM
Top batten at aft end of square top. Designed to lessen drag of vortex. SImilar to eagles wing tips. You will notice they curve up and yes the plane manufacturers are now using them to improve economy. Yes, they may need to be bigger.
Re: Winglets on trailing edge
[Re: warbird]
#155514 09/21/0804:50 AM09/21/0804:50 AM
Trying these out today as I have been thinking they are a good idea for years on trailing edge of square tops. Chance for you to tell me how mentally challenged I am Wouts.
How are you going to tie it in?
Don't you need a hole somewhere to tie it into the batten pocket?
I think this was talked about some time ago. The topic being winglets, the term used for plane wings. Instead of on the end of a batten, why not the mast itself? The idea of a winglet is not one of added lift, rather it is of decreased drag.
One could make a winglet for a mast that even had some floatation in it, no? Most winglets are on the top surface only, even the airbus has a larger surface on the top, than on the bottom. I think it was conveyed that the winglet on a mast would indeed count towards sail area.
As far as vortex generators go, I don't know that you would get the same effect on a sail as you would a wing. The purpose is indeed for 'slow-flight', but, it is mostly to keep attachment over the aileron.
Might be curious to see this develop thru the years....
Trying these out today as I have been thinking they are a good idea for years on trailing edge of square tops. Chance for you to tell me how mentally challenged I am Wouts.
How are you going to tie it in?
Don't you need a hole somewhere to tie it into the batten pocket?
Yes, I photographed them the minute I had fitted the batten snugly and just after this photo I marked the holes and drilled them. All works well.
As it happens a friends giant carbon wing sail was destroyed in a storm last year and I will form the batten out of the sides of that once I have had feedback about size etc. so the weight can be reduced.
FYI Looking at this bird one wonders if the wing on a sail could be a cloth hinged unit that flipped over to the other side on tack as the bird and plane both exit the shape to the "lift" side.
Looking at this bird one wonders if the wing on a sail could be a cloth hinged unit that flipped over to the other side on tack as the bird and plane both exit the shape to the "lift" side.
Makes sense. And if the vortex itself isn't enought to tack the winglet, the inversion of curvature of the batten in a tack can generate the force needed to do the job.
Luiz
Re: Winglets on trailing edge
[Re: warbird]
#155519 09/22/0806:18 AM09/22/0806:18 AM
FYI Looking at this bird one wonders if the wing on a sail could be a cloth hinged unit that flipped over to the other side on tack as the bird and plane both exit the shape to the "lift" side.
In the picture attached, I suspect the feathers on the tip of the eagle's wings are there for stability in slow flight - not efficiency. They may even have very little affect on the airflow but may just be positioned that way to give the bird additional feedback about the airflow conditions on each end of it's wing so it can avoid a stall condition.
Jake Kohl
Re: Winglets on trailing edge
[Re: Jake]
#155520 09/22/0807:39 AM09/22/0807:39 AM
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Re: Winglets on trailing edge
[Re: Luiz]
#155527 09/23/0807:28 AM09/23/0807:28 AM
I should stay out of this since I have absolutely no aerodynamic training, but as I understand it (from years of training on the Discovery Channel) the winglet, as well as those little fins that they stick on the top of plane wings were put in place to keep the air from spilling off the end of the wing thus keeping the flow more front to back and there for making it more efficient. Improved air flow/attachment equals less power needed to generate the same amount of lift.
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