The boats were not there for the W1000 in 2003, and the race was not held. I know that for a fact, I was one of the paid entries for the race that didn't happen. David and I did go on to race the T500 that year in it's place. The 2002 W1000 was the last W1000 held.

Wouter you are such a jackass, you have no idea of how many HT's there are in the US.

39 documented sail numbers and boat owners.

REGULAR MEMBER BROWNING GALE ANNAPOLIS MD USA-1
REGULAR MEMBER OLIVER W.F. VA BEACH VA USA-3
REGULAR MEMBER DIAMOND JAMIE COLUMBUS OH USA-4
REGULAR MEMBER NEWKIRK KIRK PENSACOLA FL USA-5
REGULAR MEMBER BROWN CHRIS LABONON PA USA-6
REGULAR MEMBER SMYTH RANDY FT WALTON BCH FL USA-7
REGULAR MEMBER COGAN PETER DARIEN CT USA-8
REGULAR MEMBER LYTLE BOB JACKSONVILLE FL USA-9
REGULAR MEMBER MARSHACK KEN FAIRVIEW OR USA-10
REGULAR MEMBER SNEED JASON DESTIN FL USA-11
REGULAR MEMBER CUNNINGHAM DAVID CHICAGO IL USA-12
REGULAR MEMBER STOOKEY HUNT PORTSMOUTH RI USA-14
REGULAR MEMBER PICHE STEVE AUSTIN TX USA-15
REGULAR MEMBER LAMBERT BRIAN FT WALTON BCH FL USA-16
REGULAR MEMBER NOVAKOFF JIM HOUSTON TX USA-17
REGULAR MEMBER KIRBY DOUG ANNAPOLIS MD USA-18
REGULAR MEMBER BECKWITH TIFFANY SAN ANTONIO TX USA-20
REGULAR MEMBER LIVINGSTON KIRK HOUSTON TX USA-21
REGULAR MEMBER VINING BILL WALLINGFORD CT USA-22
REGULAR MEMBER COMUNALE AMANDA AKRON OH USA-23
REGULAR MEMBER KRANTZ MICHAEL FLOWERY BRANCH GA USA-24
REGULAR MEMBER STUART BERND OK USA-25
REGULAR MEMBER PETERS JERRY RICHMOND VA USA-26
REGULAR MEMBER SUNNUCKS WILLIAM UK USA-27
REGULAR MEMBER HERTZ DAVID EMPORIA VA USA-28
REGULAR MEMBER BOYLE STEPHEN CHARLOTTE NC USA-29
REGULAR MEMBER CONFIDENTIAL USA-30
REGULAR MEMBER SONNAKLAR JAY MIAMI FL USA-31
REGULAR MEMBER TEYSSIER CARL SAN DIEGO CA USA-32
REGULAR MEMBER MOORE FRANK PITTSBURG PA USA-33
REGULAR MEMBER GONZALAS TOMMY BRISTOL RI USA-34
REGULAR MEMBER CONFIDENTIAL (OWNED BY SAME PERSON AS USA-30) USA-35
REGULAR MEMBER JOHNSTONE PETER NEWPORT RI USA-45
REGULAR MEMBER MELLO DENNIS CT USA-70
REGULAR MEMBER BASNIGHT JIM CHESAPEAKE VA USA-71
REGULAR MEMBER PIGGIN HUGH FT LAUDERDALE FL USA-72
REGULAR MEMBER SINCLAIR JAMES NY NY USA-73

There are at least 39 boats in the US.

Hi Bill -

I don't mean to step into this mess and I don't have any sort of beef with the class. I think, though, that at least one of the owners on your list never actually got a boat, though he paid for one. Maybe the class list isn't 100% accurate? Not trying to stir up trouble - in fact, I'm not really sure why Wouter cares...

Thanks for pointing that out John. I didnt create that list, and I'm not sure exactly where it came from, it probably came from WF.

But the question that was being debated was "how many HT's are there in the US." I believe the number is at least 39, and its possible that its close the number that Catfan quoted.

YYYAAAAAAYYYYYYYY BILL!!!!!

Will Sunnucks owns a HT ?

Is that the same Will Sunnucks that is a UK sailor that came over for the Tybee 500, "chartered" a HT and afterwards said it was of the worst boats to do distance races on and would never do so again ?

Smyth never owned his own boat; I'm sure that he has his own sailnumber but the boat is probably now recycled into a new owner and new sailnumber.

That and other stuff.

It is just like Wall Street Finance, **** the books is not hard, coming up with concrete results to proof these numbers when the game is up is the hard part. Like the other poster says, there are some Worrell crews still waiting for the delivery of their boat.

Personally, I find it very strange that 50 sailors of the fame of Peter Cogan, Randy Smyth, Marshack, Lambert, Mike Krantz and Jay Sonneklar would (still) own a HT and be a class member for the last 5 years AND NEVER RACE IT. We do see them regulary on A-cats, F18's and I-20's though.

Come to think of it, for 50 boats sold in the USA we do see surprisingly little of them pop up in race results.

But hey ! Don't take my word for it. Believe what you want to believe.

Wouter

Bill,

Through my network of contacts which does indeed included many class organisors and builders alike I learned of legal dealings specifying the number of boats (of different make) delivered and of amounts of money left unpaid.

The number is much closer to 25 then 50. Sorry.

I won't specify or proof anything beyond this point as that will serve no purpose.

The main point of my postings was that one particular chain of sources is pretty unreliable. Hell, I was beating that message home as early as 2001 when the whole HT debacle began.

Many would like to think that I'm unreliable, wise people'll know better by now.

Wouter

Wouter.

The boat is/was William's.

Smyth DID own his own boat.

Here's a piccie of him racing it:


It now belongs to Tommy Granger.

I know of at least three, not counting the ex-Smyth boat, in the central Gulf (LA/MS/AL).

Voutah, do please let it go...

Tami's right, Wout. Let it go. There simply isn't any value in being right or wrong on this one, and the feelings (five years ago or not) are still raw. Ease up, pick another topic.

There is almost nobody racing the FXone, I know one dealer sold 10 of them last year, and the Hobie U.S. warehouse seems to be always out of them. Not the same thing, but alot of people buy boats to sail recreationally that don't really make that great of a rec boat.

Not that anyone cares, but Ken Marshack did buy a Bimare 18HT. I assembled it with him in Virginia Beach. He brought it home to Oregon, and sold it used to Jon Nilan from the Seattle area. He showed up to a few regattas and raced it as an A cat (Jon weighs approximately 350 pounds and we let him have fun with us). He hasn't raced it in the last two years that I know of. I saw him two weeks ago and he was close to selling the boat to somebody from the Seattle area.

Eric Marshack

REGULAR MEMBER LAMBERT BRIAN FT WALTON BCH FL USA-16

USA 16 owned now by Jon Alvord in NH. I don't race it, just use it for weekly sailing on a 3milex1/4 mile lake. Pretty pathetic use for it but it is so fun for one person in 15kt's!

No feelings,

I'm just conveying what I know.

But I have no interest in continueing a fight. Believe all you guys want. I for one have very serious doubts that a number close to 50 was ever shipped to the USA.

That will be all.

Wouter

Wouter, you dont know dick, you are making assumptions based on you were able to see in race results. That is the most arrogant and ridiculous thing you've ever said.

And you have no idea who owned what and when.

Since that list was compiled, most of those owners have sold there boats, and the new owners dont race them, and I've lost track of who owns them now.

Ok, Wouter, I will go slow for you here.

1. That list is OLD.
2. The boats have been RESOLD.
3. The boats didnt evaporate, they still exist and are most likely still in the USA.
4. The class hasnt had any official US business in the last 4 years.
5. You are still a jackass.

Obviously the names on that list are not current HT class members. I posted it as a point of reference on how many HT's there are (where) in the US at a point in time.

Stu told me he recently sold #25 to a Tulsa local who "didn't have a clue what he was getting in to" and reminisced of "the fastest boat he's ever sailed".

WF Oliver, after the Worrell thing, and growing the class he seemed to disappear. Does he still sail??