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38.912, -95.37 | ...and the Minnesota sailor, Rick Adams, finishes 7th in his first regatta on his new to him F17, well done Rick, guess all that spin work paid off.
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[Re: David Ingram]
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We want elapsed times, so we can see who or what won the qualifier. Bob Curry or the peachy nacra-F17 USPN rating.
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Clermont, FL, USA | Exactly the reason why the times were not provided. Do not use our Area Qualifier for your petty grievances.
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Eastern NC, USA | If Bob continued to sail like he was a month or so ago - he would have won on just about any handicap number. He works really hard at being fast and it has paid off. Good on him.
The elapsed times will be interesting, but my guess (I wasn't there) is that he was close to winning on elapsed times and won handily on handicap - which is the way the system works in the US. This should validate that the F17 is a fast boat.
We had a F17 place 2nd in the spin boat fleet at BSC's Cat Caper a weekend ago. It was well sailed and won a few races outright (over I20s and F16s) on elapsed time.
Tom
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[Re: David Ingram]
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Exactly the reason why the times were not provided. Do not use our Area Qualifier for your petty grievances.
What a nonsense ! Only a week ago you yourself did a "alter cup related - class rules - personal grievances" dance on the F16 forum. Besides, what is the secret ? We all know Bob is a very skilled sailor (and guys like John Casey, the Mc's and others weren't present this time!). Why not let the elapsed time results proof that he is ? What could be the shame/damage in that ? We had to hear for long periods of time how the F16 rating was wrong and indeed the F16 class both actively and succesfully campaigned for both rating numbers to be lowered as to be fair to the sailor of other designs. In one case (1-up mode) even from 67 down to 63 ! A precedent for the Nacra F17 to follow ? Would it be unfair in any way to hold another class to the same standard we (I) have submitted ourselves to in the past ? So don't give us this BS, just give us the elapsed time results ! Unless there is something to hide of course !  Wouter
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So give us the elapsed time results, unless their is something to hide of course !
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You are right.
Can we please have the elapsed time results ?
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Looking for a Job, I got credi... | I'd be very interested in the elapsed times as this is an ideal race to put into the SCHRS "Rce library" as we run any changes to the rule thru example races to see what would happen.
We do not have much pukka data for the N17.
Please can we have a copy of the elapsed times.
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LA | If Bob continued to sail like he was a month or so ago - he would have won on just about any handicap number. He works really hard at being fast and it has paid off. Good on him.
The elapsed times will be interesting, but my guess (I wasn't there) is that he was close to winning on elapsed times and won handily on handicap - which is the way the system works in the US. This should validate that the F17 is a fast boat.
We had a F17 place 2nd in the spin boat fleet at BSC's Cat Caper a weekend ago. It was well sailed and won a few races outright (over I20s and F16s) on elapsed time. Tom, On my A-Class, I was first to the weather mark in 3 out of 4 races (it would have been 4 out of 4 but I thought I was over early in the second race and went back and re-started, I was still 3rd to the weather mark). In the light air we had (1-6 knots) I'd get killed downwind by all the boats with the chutes as everyone there was pretty competent. But then upwind I'd nearly catch most of the boats that passed me downwind. In two races, Curry passed me downwind and then I passed him again upwind. There is a US Sailing course that has an upwind finish so it might have been interesting if we had done a race with three upwind legs (LOL)! My point is that I believe the F-17 should really rate right below what the A-Class currently is (around 64.6) or close to the F-16. I asked Bob about this and even he agreed that he is sailing the boat faster than its current rating. It's quite a challenge racing against the spinnaker boats with the A-Class. You have to sail defensively downwind to try to minimize your losses as boats roll up on you and then try to close the gap again upwind. I've never raced an Open Portsmouth regatta like this in fully powered conditions where I can fly a hull downwind. I'd like to do that. Bob Hodges | | | Re: Results
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Tom,
On my A-Class, I was first to the weather mark in 3 out of 4 races (it would have been 4 out of 4 but I thought I was over early in the second race and went back and re-started, I was still 3rd to the weather mark). In the light air we had (1-6 knots) I'd get killed downwind by all the boats with the chutes as everyone there was pretty competent. But then upwind I'd nearly catch most of the boats that passed me downwind. In two races, Curry passed me downwind and then I passed him again upwind. There is a US Sailing course that has an upwind finish so it might have been interesting if we had done a race with three upwind legs (LOL)! My point is that I believe the F-17 should really rate right below what the A-Class currently is (around 64.6) or close to the F-16. I asked Bob about this and even he agreed that he is sailing the boat faster than its current rating. It's quite a challenge racing against the spinnaker boats with the A-Class. You have to sail defensively downwind to try to minimize your losses as boats roll up on you and then try to close the gap again upwind. I've never raced an Open Portsmouth regatta like this in fully powered conditions where I can fly a hull downwind. I'd like to do that.
Bob Hodges
My experience in sailing an F16 many times against fleets of 5-7 A-cats is that the F16 has a huge advantage downwind up until the As can go wild downwind. I still found the As tough to beat across the line around the full course since they're so fast upwind; but the current handicap put me right in the mix. Once the As can fly a hull downwind, the advantage of the spinnaker is dramatically less and the As become very hard to beat, even on handicap. Incidentally, I find the current nacra 17 number hard to believe and is probably simply because there isn't much mixed fleet data for the boat.
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[Re: David Ingram]
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Michigan | Exactly the reason why the times were not provided. Do not use our Area Qualifier for your petty grievances. We aren't using the area qualifier for our petty grievances.... knowing the elapsed time has nothing to do with the Alter Cup. It is a valid request. | | | Re: Results
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Gainesville, FL 32607 USA | "There is a US Sailing course that has an upwind finish so it might have been interesting if we had done a race with three upwind legs.....It's quite a challenge racing against the spinnaker boats with the A-Class".
Bob Hodges has reexperienced the past! I have sailed in the Alter Cup with the same result. A-class with 150.000 square feet vs Spin boats with about 2x the sail area make it difficult downwind. Races with odd numbers of legs would even up (probably reverse) this inequity- one that is presently not addressed by DPN. So---What are the times?
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