| f-25c vs f-28r #16673 02/25/03 04:44 AM 02/25/03 04:44 AM |
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Posts: 51 australia | hi all i have been wondering what is the difference in speed and performace betwen the f-25c and f-28r. one would think the 25c would be alot faster with its power to waight to leanth ratio. and do they still build the 25c (even on a special order) any surgestions would be great regards..kurt | | | Re: f-25c vs f-28r
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | You asked: do u have any idear wat sorta conditon those to 25c are in i have seen them on th web site?
Thom probably knows better, but maybe it will help to know that Chris Sudberg's boat is for sale because he is buying another model, so it should be in very good condition.
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Posts: 351 Dallas, Texas | Hello Kurt- There are several stories posted on the net about the F25c and I read all of them before I bought mine. I can say that each ama/float has 4000lbs of bouyancy. That translates into almost no chance of pitchpoling. With the large daggerboard you can throw it into a corner very quickly and come out with little fuss. I have seen from the foredeck of an F31R two seperate F25cs [Lyman White in 2001 Nationals and Matt Scharl in 2002 Nationals] do this manuver. Both were coming into heavy traffic [20-25 Fboats] on starboard tacks. They both jybed into holes in traffic and rounded marks pulling away from the competition. Very quick boats!! Actually saw Scharl do this same manuver to cross the finish line only this time after jybing they popped the chute to pull ahead of three F31Rs with chutes up to cross the finish line pulling away. If you enjoy sailing a boat correctly with fast tacks [less than five seconds in some cases] the F25c gives you that chance. Its not heavy so it can be thrown around a little in heavy seas but it something to become accustomed to not be concerned about. Any catsailor would consider all Fboats to luxury liners. If you sail like a catsailor you will be much safer than a sled sailor. Catsailors know when to release/adjust the sails. Alot of how an Fboat handles is how they are sailed. Being able to recognize when to lower a jib can make a material difference with how the boat handles in heavy air. Ian said "the F25c could handle 40ft waves but would destroy itself going onto the trailer". Bill Adams told me that. As far as condition I can speak for the one in Texas because its my boat. Its had seven sails because the original owner had a stroke after 3-5 sails and the boat sat in western Colorado until last June. I only sailed it twice because of unreliable crew and water level problems in the summer. The purple hulled F25c with yellow floats and deck is in the SF Bay area and has been sailed actively since 1996. I can't say about the purple boats condition. I am selling mine because I just want a bigger boat but if the new F33 is going to be over two years away I will pull my add and sail the 25c. Ian is supposed to have prices, delivery dates, options and available kits priced soon. Also the FCA site has a constant chat about whats going on in the Fboat USA world. Theres a Europen F Boat site listed as well on the f-boat site of Ian's. Hope this helps, thom if you want to look at some2001 Nationals pics I took from the foredeck of an F31R try the link below: http://home.att.net/~t.r.merrill/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html | | | Re: f-25c vs f-28r
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | Hi Thom
You are right, waiting is a pain - but I knew it would not be easy from the begining.
On the other hand, the good news is that the delay is the only bad news...
When I visited the shipyard in January and saw the construction, I preferred not to complain. It was clear that they were doing a very good job and that the delay was caused mainly by their comitment to execute everything exactly as specified.
Don't be fooled by the conventional appearance of the boat and the choice of conventional glass/foam for the hull- its engineering is very sophisticated - very frequently brilliant.
It suffices to say that at least 5 of the features of the Catri are now shared with the F-33 - but not with previous models.
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Luiz
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Posts: 51 australia | thom- do u think it would be a good move from my f-28r to the 25c if i dont mind the the lose of acomedaton (thats y ure seling urs right)or any thing and got the cash and fantastic crew,i just love the wait of the 25c 700kg or so mine waighs over 1.6 tons(1600kg)thats almost a ton less do u think it is posible to put a boom on a 25c thanx for ure help | | | Re: f-25c vs f-28r
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | Thom
I think Mr. Farrier's strategy is the best alternative to leave Corsair miles behind.
His new designs (33, 22 and the ones to come) represent a "new generation" of folding boats that differ in more then hits the eye from the previous one.
You already noticed that - weight is down significantly.
Since the old models are also suitable for amateur building, their specifications and construction techniques are not ideal to achieve minimal weight, so Corsair is left with heavy "old" designs that will gradually become less atractive to the F-Boaters.
This means that there is plenty of room to make the new models with tighter specifications, built with more sophisticated techniques, resulting in lighter and better boats.
Obviously, home construction will not be possible due to the inherent uncertainty regarding the builder's proficiency generating a need to increase safety factors and keep away from some construction techniques.
However, kits will be a suitable replacement for amateur building, retaining the high quality and structural light weight of the production boat, but still allowing a certain degree of customization. Kits will enables a fast start and a slow finish, according to the availability of money.
The 33 and 22 do not compete directly with Corsair's products, but after their production lines are firmly established in weaker currency countries (= better price), I would expect Mr. Farrier to launch at least one boat in the middle of Corsair's range, also better and lighter then the existing models. This will be the "coup de grace".
Meanwhile, the Catri 27 is the best high tech boat in the middle of the range. Frankly, from the technical point of view it is hard to compete with. But the market buys other features too, so technical excelence alone is not a guaranty of better sales.
Cheers,
Luiz
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Posts: 351 Dallas, Texas | Kurt- There are a few F25Cs around with loose footed booms. Heaton and Spaulding arre both working out boom rigs as we speak or the last time I spoke with them. Which means that the info for materials and mounting procedures will be readiny available. Its also in the Farrier Plan Books. They have a slightly shorter main but this enables lazy jacks to be used much better than the lazy jacks with a boomless rig. The major plus for the F28/Rs, in my opinion, is the rating and the working deck space. Also here the F28Rs are a "One design" and race in NOODs across the country. WHat I don't like about the F25c is the handicap [-15 here] and the fact that carbon is more difficult to fix. It doesn't shatter like fiberglass but if you get T-boned you can't call Corsair for an ama... If you're seriously interested contact Don Wigston @ Windcraft at the link below. The boat is in Dallas, Texas which is near DFW International Airport. http://www.corsairtri.com/thom
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