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#170856 03/08/09 04:22 PM 03/08/09 04:22 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I'm in. I've always wondered why the Alter Cup is always on a two person boat, never Mano -a- mano. A good crew can make an average skipper look very good, and vice versa. The next Alter Cup will be on Vipers, they could race them solo, or maybe use the Nacra F17, Waves or an A cat. It might be a problem getting any one manufacturer to supply 10 brand new A cats though. Racing solo with a spinnaker in big wind is what separates the men from the boys, but I might just be a little biased. (that's a joke, I don't want anyone getting their panties in a wad over this, we all know how they separate the men from the boys in Texas...)
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#170863 03/08/09 05:13 PM 03/08/09 05:13 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter
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Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe | The only drawback being they can only drag up one boat at a time and then take the rope back for the next boat.
Actually that is not true. We often do 3 to 4 boats on one tow. We tie the line to the centre of the beach dolly axle and leave lots of line at the unsecured end. This can then be tied to next boat. And so on. Basically the only limitation is the number of boats that can be placed in the flat spot in front of the winch. Wouter
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#170868 03/08/09 06:10 PM 03/08/09 06:10 PM |
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. Timbo
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | Thanks for the full story Wouter, it is an impressive set up, but then all your cat clubs over there are fantastic!
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#170879 03/08/09 08:39 PM 03/08/09 08:39 PM |
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. Team_Cat_Fever
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Before you judge by mere weight, keep in mind that I played Pro-Football for 7 years and at that weight I ran a 4.78 second 40 yard dash. Endurance? Playing Arena Football, we had to play Offense and Defense. Is that all you got. I'm 81 lbs. 4' 2" soaking wet, and I righted my stilletto 27 7 times by myself while drinking a half gallon of rum during a hurricane. You buncha sissies aren't man enough to carry my limes.DDOOOHHHHH! Tawd
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#170908 03/09/09 04:42 AM 03/09/09 04:42 AM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I used to stand on it, yes. I didn't jump up and down but just stood there until the mast tip came up out of the water.
I have great confidence in the Inter 20 daggers, they are quite heavy and seem very solid, I have not heard of one failing except maybe if run aground very hard, but even then I know several who have done that and their boards didn't break. The Inter 20 is a very solid boat overall, there are many that have done the Worrell/Tybee several times over.
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#170912 03/09/09 05:54 AM 03/09/09 05:54 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 9,582 North-West Europe Wouter
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Additionally, the I-20 daggerboards operate under 100 kg sideways load when a 150 kg crew is double trapped and lifting the luff hull while sailing straight. During cornering the loads can easily increase significantly. I'm guessing by as much as another 100 kg.
But the best story I have is of some prototype Blade F16 daggerboard. These same maker did the daggerboards for the 2007 Alter Cup Blades. He tested a new way of producing the boards. The new ones are 1.6 kg per boards (less then 4 lbs) and are theirfor about halve the weight of an (minimum weight) F18 daggerboard (as required by their class rules). He challenged me to jump up and down on the tip with the board clamped in tight and raised above the floor. I dared not to make a real effort so he said :"let me do it". No he is a 100 kg guy (220 lbs) and I say him oscillate up an down by as much as 10 inches, on the very tip, and the board took it without any complaints.
That is when I realized what kind of loads these boards can take when they are well designed and produced with great care. It was very impressive. But I don't think all catamaran builders put the same amount of attention into their products; So I'm still not advicing you to try this at home !
Wouter
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#170929 03/09/09 10:07 AM 03/09/09 10:07 AM |
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL waterbug_wpb
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I slipped off Karl's hull with my "fancy" (read: 11 year old) surf booties while righting it at Hirams, and bounced off the lower daggarboard and it didn't break. I'm 6'1" and 185 lbs. More of a glancing blow to the daggar than a full on "cannon ball" type hit, but nonetheless...
Both Karl & my first thought was "s!" I hopre I didn't break something!
Jay
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#170940 03/09/09 12:51 PM 03/09/09 12:51 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | I used to stand on it, yes. I didn't jump up and down but just stood there until the mast tip came up out of the water.
I have great confidence in the Inter 20 daggers, they are quite heavy and seem very solid, I have not heard of one failing except maybe if run aground very hard, but even then I know several who have done that and their boards didn't break. The Inter 20 is a very solid boat overall, there are many that have done the Worrell/Tybee several times over. There is nothing under built on the N20! Except for that batch of rudders they used at the Alter Cup.
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#171415 03/12/09 08:57 AM 03/12/09 08:57 AM |
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Posts: 129 Austin, TX | The driver beats you not the boat... But I do love the pics that have been posted of this boat so that I can compare the rigging to mine! Thanks!
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#171784 03/15/09 07:21 AM 03/15/09 07:21 AM |
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine ThunderMuffin
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Posts: 3,655 Portland, Maine | Having the crew grind the main is passe (pronounced 'pass-ay') already. We've now hired trained chimps to do it for us.
Gets kinda hairy when they try to eat your face when they get fed up with the game tho.
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