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[Re: Rolf_Nilsen]
#177723 05/10/09 08:23 AM 05/10/09 08:23 AM |
Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 757 japan erice
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Posts: 757 japan | the 5.2 has a big overlapping jib, 4.12m2
even when mine is loose it still manages to flap around until it fills on 1 side or the other and drags the boat round
will try keeping it sheeted next time as rolf suggests
was lake sailing my 5.2 today while the wind blown waves were whitecapping. with both sails up and on the wire the boat was flying up on the gusts and giving a rodeo like ride on the wire
when one of the worn jib cleats starting slipping allowing the jib to flail around i went back in to remove the jib
had trouble on the first tack as even completely releasing the sheet wasn't enough to prevent the wind weather-vaning the hulls into irons
from then on i blew the traveller as i ducked under the boom and all was sweet
tacks were probably faster that way as all i had to do was pull in the short traveller sheet and get back on the wire
having no crew to take care of the jib has been killing my boat speed in tacks as i wrestle with getting it across and in before driving off and pulling in the main now studying the gps tracks with gps action replay, (excellent software), and it looks like sailing without the jib allowed me to point about 2 degrees higher
most of our sailing is with winds that aren't that strong, so the jib is worth keeping, but when the wind is up enough to make hoisting and tieing off the jib a noisy effort i'll probably go without from now on
loving those big, fat,long bows on my 5.2. when broad reaching downwind at 14knots, the windward hull would start to come up too high, steering down a little would send the bows under but by being as far back as possible with feet under straps they would come back up again with only a little loss of speed
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[Re: DennisMe]
#177731 05/10/09 10:01 AM 05/10/09 10:01 AM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | Dennis, You can use the autopark system that I use on my Wave. I attach a shock cord at the center of my aft beam and tie it or hook or however you want to the tiller arm to keep the tiller over on the side you want. The boat will just oscillate back and forth and rarely tack itself unless there is a really major wind shift. Meanwhile, I can walk around on the boat and make adjustments or take a nap or whatever. Also, by using a bungee cord, if the boat defies you and tacks itself anyway, you are still able to control the tiller, because it is just a bungee holding it over. Don't use a hard line. | | | Re: Embarrassing boat handling question
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#177743 05/10/09 02:01 PM 05/10/09 02:01 PM |
Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay Luiz
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | With my Dart I used this to heave to: try to sheet the jib with the windward sheet. Or cleat it first, than make a tack, after the tack drop the traveller and turn the rudders to luff. This sounds like the traditional method to stop a boat going upwind: tack without uncleating the jib, release the mainsheet completely and lock the tiller to leeward (like if trying to tack back). Most boats park.
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#177779 05/11/09 05:19 AM 05/11/09 05:19 AM |
Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 976 France pepin
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Posts: 976 France | On the 5.2 with the jib: tack while keeping the jib sheeted. Once it fills in on the wrong side, against the mast, release the traveler to midpoint and a bit of the main, and push the tiller over as if wanting to tack again. The boat will park.
On the 5.2 without the jib: Stop the boat by pointing high and over sheeting the main. When the boat starts to back up use the ruder to choose the tack you want to park into, keep them at that position and release the traveler completely and a bit of the main.
In both case the boat is going to enter into an oscillating mode: forward and up until the main stops getting traction, then backward until the main gets some power again.
I don't bother with the downhaul on the 5.2, it's not powerful enough to make a difference.
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#178132 05/13/09 08:15 PM 05/13/09 08:15 PM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | You guys are missing the whole point. When you are singlehanding and parking, you need a way to keep the tiller over without holding it if you want to walk around, meditate, take a leak, adjust or fix something on the boat, tend to an active toddler who is climbing the mast, eat lunch, etc. | | | Re: Embarrassing boat handling question
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#178143 05/14/09 01:49 AM 05/14/09 01:49 AM |
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Posts: 431 Netherlands | That's right Mary. You got it. The parking a cat thing is also covered in Rick and Marys book "Catamaran Racing for the 90s" but I somehow assumed it would also work hands-off. It would if the boat were to only drift backwards because that would pin the rudders over. In practice the "oscillation" kills that and the slightest forward motion straightens them out causing the boat to initially luff up and either tack or fall off while picking up speed.
I'll also be sure to try the old "SBflyer rolling hitch on the stick trick as that sounds like a Smart move ;-)
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#178147 05/14/09 03:28 AM 05/14/09 03:28 AM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | I'll also be sure to try the old "SBflyer rolling hitch on the stick trick as that sounds like a Smart move The reason I like using a bungee is that you can immediately and easily override it physically (without having to untie or unhook it) if you start to get tacked by a big wind shift or a powerboat wake, or have to take evasive action to avoid another boat, etc. (Maybe I'm just a control freak. ) I had fun experimenting with my system. The version I like best is using one piece of bungie, the center of which is tied at the center of the aft beam. And each end of that bungie has a hook on it. (Just a regular, open hook.) When not in use, the hooks are hooked onto the aft lacing of my tramp, one at each side. Since I have one hook on each side of the boat, if I need to park on starboard, for instance, I just grab the hook on the starboard side and put the bungee around the starboard tiller arm at the joint with the crossbar, and hook it to itself. The only thing you have to figure out is the length of the bungee. If it's a little too long or you need more pressure to hold the tiller over, you can just wrap it around more times. And for most cats you don't need a very heavy-duty bungee. I don't have a tiller extension on my current boat, but I would use my method even if I did have one. Try some things and let us know what works best for you. | | | Re: Embarrassing boat handling question
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#178172 05/14/09 08:05 AM 05/14/09 08:05 AM | andrewscott
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