And for the guys wanting to compare the F18's to N20's on elapsed time MINUS penalties; here are the results after leg 5. Note that Carrie Howe's result still includes 2 hours lost on repairs on day 2 I believe so was really convering the distance alot faster and without the repairs she would be in 2nd place over on real elapsed time.

F18's are still nicely spread out evenly over the fleet.

Wouter

They are off to an early start -- 8AM
Full story and pictures go to www.catsailor.com or click on the logo top left.
Rick

GO JAKE GO!!!

Rick, Thanks! I went right for the home page with my coffee. I always love scrolling down your reports. This race is always a treat for fans, and your writing and pictures have been like the main course in a feast of coverage. Big kudos to Bonnie, and to Mr. Clean Too!

Mary, Seems like the teams caught on to your suggestion about the paddles. Jake, I don't doubt it at all. It is clear that he had become a Seacats fan too! Blessings to this wonderful fleet and their teams.

Interesting interview with Chuck the race official:
http://publish.vx.roo.com/wwwsailtv...o_Chuck_Interview_trim&vxBitrate=700

Are we in a media blackout?

Yes, you were.
Mary has packed up hers and my main computer and is heading north to meet me at a motel in Walterboro (on I-96 near I-26) and then on to Ohio. So, she stopped posting.

Meanwhile, I got a ton of pix, but had no room at Tybee and was unable to work on the pix at a picnic table (can't see the laptop screen).
So, I jumped in the van and came to Walterboro, did the pix and the story and got it up.
Meanwhile, I was counting on getting finish info from the Tybee site, but it was not there -- more tech problems.

So, I called John Williams. He gave me the finishes, which I added to the story. and Zing, there we are.

So, the story is up on the Headline Page. just click on www.catsailor.com or the logo in the left upper corner.

Meanwhile, the Tybee site still does not have the results up.
Sorry for the dead hole.
Rick

By the way, I was told 13 spinnakers on N20s bit the dust this week -- unbelievable. Lots of unhappy N20 campers.

No problem. It was beginning to seem as if it was planned. None of the team sites posted either.

Thanks

Rick the results posted are todays finishes and not the overall finishes?

I just watched the interview with Chuck courtesy of on the water anarchy. That was very insightful and changed my perception of the time penalty for violating the exclusion zone. The penalty does not sound harsh enough, maybe they should get a 40min penalty and get the finish time of the last boat on the leg.

I'm very jealous of everyone involved in this race, I would love to compete in something like that. You should do all you can to preserve it.

Ding Ding Ding . . . Winner! Good suggestions. Not DSQ, but harse enough with some uncertainty thrown in, nice! We do something similar on Tuesday night in that if you don't keep your own time you get the time of the next guy who keeps his time. Amazingly this is vary varible, since $10 watch will do it for you.

Last boat s ashore, final results are posted!

Rick, It is 3:25 am and I just got home from work. I have been wondering about the race all night. How wonderful to find the Catsailor Homepage you put together! Wow! Way to go TCDYC! Chris you guys rock! Congrats to all!

As always I do an analysis on the results (mostly to fine tune some performance models I play with for fun). And here are the REAL elapsed time results for this Tybee 500 event. Note that this means that the penalties has been deducted from the awarded finish times. However, the times spend on repairs and getting stranded in the surf are still included. It is impossibe for me to proper butts those delays. Most Carrie Howe and John Casey suffer from that as we know they spend about 2 hours fiddling with their rudders and that costs then 2nd place in my listing.

So here goes

One conclusion can be that it is pretty viable to race the F18's straight up against the N20's in a race like this. The spread of boats does not suggest that this is a serious factor in the overall result. Something that the handicapped results (See the official Tybee site or click here ) do not support with respect to handicapping. There it seems the F18's have a significant advantage as they are all grouped at the top of the score board. In that listing there are 4 F18's in places 1st to 4th and all but 1 F18 are in the top 8 places with only place 5 and 6 going to N20 crews.

All very interesting.

Wouter

Still no Dutch flag? Come on Ari, a little hip-hip-hooray for the old Country.

Wouter, AGAIN you mis-use facts to support a case.

You might want to have said....

"if you get a race where the wind is light and the angles are such that the N20's cannot carry their (one design) kites and the F18's can, then it is viable to race the N20 and the F18's boat on boat".

If it had beena dead run all the way, the results mwould have been different I feel; however, without any FACTS I cannot "prove" this........

Mischa Video >>>

Ehh, you are not very well versed in statistic are you now.

I only said that the results as presented are more supportive of equality on elasped time IN AN EVENT LIKE THIS then supportive of equality using handicap ratings.

Compare it to this example; Each time you throw a coin in the air you a reasonable change of getting tales.

-a- It doesn't mean you WILL get a tale
-b- It doesn't cover the case we you knowingly FAVOR a different outcome, as in use a crooked coin or have trained to throw the coin such that it always lands on one particular side.

Your next comment is of the -b- type.




And what if it had been an upwind beat all the way ? Or are we simply yet intentionally ignoring that possibilty ?

The facts are as they are. For this event, the F18 guys were not held back much at all by their decision to use the F18 boat or the N20's.

Trying to ignore that is just silly.

Wouter