"Kumbaya"?

That belongs over here...

http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=180335#Post180335



Mike

So long as everyone is looking for positive solutions consider this. Everyone agrees that a strong and viable Wave class is good for the sport. Having two sets of rules for two Wave classes works counter to that goal. The fact that the HCA is evidently not allowed to have any flexibility in working with the IWCA also runs counter to that goal.
So the question is how can we get the Wave class under one set of rules and thereby have the HCA and the IWCA working together?

You just have a Stock Wave and a Pro-stock Wave class. One runs the factory sail and rudders, the other you can run what you want, as long as the total sail area measures in to the IWCA rule. And you hand out 3 more trophies. What's the problem?

Experience has shown that the creation of class divisions is detrimental to the long-term viability of the class.

Example - Hobie 14 / 14 Turbo, Hobie 18 / Magnum / SX, NACRA 6.0 / NE, etc, etc.

There aren't enough Waves racing to create two separate classes.

That truly is the question though, Bob is right.

Don't forget the light/heavy classes the H17 had for a while.

So why not pick the strongest of the two and rejoice through support and sales. Hobie could certainly work up a competitive mainsail and an enhanced rudder system to support the class AND bring in a little revenue. All the Hobie pieces-parts exist to do it already. What about a competitive and consistent pentex main? Treat it like a business opportunity.

Perhaps Hobie could talk with the IWCA and negotiate a change in the IWCA rule for unilateral support of a Hobie-only rudder system in the future if Hobie agrees to make one available that meets the needs of the class. Allow the sailors to grandfather in pre-existing rudder systems. You know, it IS possible to work together and for both parties to benefit.

Much better people.
Bob, I thought we were going to have to give you a blanket party, you seem better now.

Jake: I already asked those questions almost exactly, but didn't get the enthusiastic YES I was hoping for. If the sail and rudder are the issues, I didn't understand why we (HC)don't try to conform to what is desired by the racers, as the social sailors won't know the diff, anyway. Who knows, maybe big brother is listening in on this thread? Maybe not.....
Oh yea, Pat: I was shoving bars of soap in a sock to go totally Full Metal Jacket on him at any moment.......

Spoken like a guy whose first name is the patron saint and last name ends in a vowel.

To All, I have read every post this evening. Sorry, but I'm slammed and spend little time on forums of late. I'd like to thank everyone who presented positive input on this issue as it has been an object of at least moderate stress for me the past month or so. Your words have been a great comfort. Anyone who was venting in negative tone, I can only say that while I don't sympathize entirely, I do understand the angst that exists over One Design Policy. Perhaps H1616 said it best with 'No good deed goes unpunished'. I will comment that the name of this thread is the most disheartening of all, as I never extended a "UNINVITED" notice to anyone. I truly want everyone to come! We are working feverishly to put together the biggest Cat party anyone could possibly imagine. Anyone who has changed their plans will be missing it, and it pains me no end to read that.

If you must know the real gist of this, it is that rules do matter. Yes, an official 'protest' of this event was brandished because of our decision to use the IWCA rules. That potentiality was viable at least amongst the powers that be. This would have been catastrophic for HAVAMEGA. If you want to send a message to the person or persons who made that threat, then come and participate anyway, regardless of your interests. I can assure you, we will roll out the red carpet for you. Lake Havasu City is ready and prepared to make this the most incredibly fun event you've seen in a great many years.

Yes, we'll race, but it is all about the party, and hangin' out with the whole catamaran community.

I consider this forum thread to have been one of the most enlightening and informative conversations amongst cat sailors to date. Thanks to Rick White for getting the ball rolling. Our communications have been very friendly, and I'm hoping to meet him at our event. He has a good understanding of what transpired, and has done his best to convey the recent developements. What a class act.

Let not your heart be troubled. We are on course, even through this bump in the road. If you all saw the results of the 'Dana Point 40th Anniversary Regatta', with over 100 boats on the beach, then as has been said so many times, "You ain't seen nothin' yet". Please feel free to contact me anytime about your questions and concerns about HAVAMEGA at gnbii@msn.com. I get over 50 emails a day about it, and it's an object of serious emotional attachment. That is why this particular issue has been so very difficult. Please, if you've changed your mind about coming, for your own pleasure, I'd ask humbly that you reconsider.

Thank you kindly for all of your efforts in promoting catamaran racing, which I consider 'The Best Place In All Of Sailing',

-Gordo Bagley, HAVAMEGA Regatta Chaiman, see havamega.com

Hi Todd,

Yes, in retrospect my calling Jeremy names was not needed to make my point and I apologize to him publicly.

We have exchanged private emails regarding our intentions.

I still stand by my basic point and think that a letter to the IWCA membership should go along way to settling the matter. Perhaps taking off on Gordo Bagley last post!

Mark

Well, hell just ****ing froze over and some pigs grew wings.

This is better. Thanks.

J

"Yes, we'll race, but it is all about the party, and hangin' out with the whole Hobie catamaran community."

Fixed it for you. Let's be honest.

Flying pork chops? yummmmm

PS Jeremy... you rock!

Pigs Grew Wings?!!!!!!!!!!1
That causes SWINE FLUE !!!
Thanks Gordo and Jeremy.

I sense a lot of anger in you, brother!

No anger here ,bro. Just trying to ease the tension a bit. Sometimes my humor is lost on people that haven't met me in person, I'm way worse. Sometimes it's just lost on people...
I'd be lying if I said I thought the edict was a good decision, but that's ancient history. What's done is done.I think it's been re-hashed enough.


I almost bought a Hobie Stand-up paddle board the other day, but I figured I better try one out first.
Tawd

p.s. I wouldn't let any of this stress you out, Gordo. You can't please all the people all the time.

p.s. I wouldn't let any of this stress you out, Gordo. You can't please all the people all the time. [/quote]

Yes, Ol' Honest Abe had that right!
Rest assured brother, I'm over it. The stress was pretty intense before the decision was made. I'm very pleased with this thread and the openness of everyone involved. You probably know that one reason I love this sport so intensely is due to the great friends around North America that have made my life a lot richer.

Ok so the HCA Chair and the event organizer agree but the plan got derailed. Someone somewhere thought this was a bad idea. We have heard that expressed already. Those people are the ones we need to hear from. What's their plan to bring these two groups together? Let's hear it.