| Safety Quiz #183553 06/30/09 12:09 AM 06/30/09 12:09 AM |
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Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA | At approximately 1900 hrs on Sat eve June 22, 2009 a skipper and crew set out on his fairly nice Hobie 18. At approximately 1930, the boat capsized in 18 knots of breeze and calm seas and the skipper was separated from the boat, and it was moving away from him faster than he could swim. The crew climbed the mast and purposely turtled the boat to slow headway, the skipper swam to the boat and boarded. At approximately 2030 as the sun was setting, the 70' sailing vessel Chardonay II, with 49 passengers aboard saw the vessel in distress and altered course. Chardonay II made contact with the Vessel, radioed the Santa Cruz Harbor Patrol and stood on scene until the Harbor rescue vessel arrived. The crew was taken aboard and the last known coordinates were reported to the Coast Guard. Vessel Assist was hired the next morning and started a 6 hour search. Additional coordinates were given to Vessel Assist from a Coast Guard plane that happened to be searching for an overturned fishing boat in the same area. The boat wasn't found until today in this condition: These guys were lucky. The water is about 56F, that's a cold night in the water! What could they have had aboard to facilitate their own rescue? J | | | Re: Safety Quiz
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#183560 06/30/09 02:28 AM 06/30/09 02:28 AM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | From the looks of that boat, water temperature would not have been a problem. I wonder what ran over it.
I think the safest thing, when sailing on open water, is to always sail on the buddy system, with another boat.
As far as what they could have had aboard to help them, I would think a VHF radio and/or a cell phone and a GPS unit. | | | Re: Safety Quiz
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#183564 06/30/09 03:14 AM 06/30/09 03:14 AM |
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Posts: 1,203 uk | Shame, its a proper Boomer too!
The guys did well to stay together. A phone in a waterproof zip bag would have made things easier.
I know stuff breaks or goes wrong, but if you are sailing alone you should always be confident that you can right the boat in all conditions. One of Ricks righting poles or a water bag should have been on board.
Hopefully the dicks that think it is ok to single-hand a 2-hander will take this on board too.
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#183606 06/30/09 07:52 AM 06/30/09 07:52 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD Mark Schneider
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Posts: 3,116 Annapolis, MD | Ditto to Matt's point
Do you think they even have a clue how to right the boat from a turtle?
Do you think they had a plan B.
A lot of the rec sailors on my beach have never thought about these seamanship issues much less read or talked to someone about these issues.
Good question that might save someone's life.
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#183642 06/30/09 09:31 AM 06/30/09 09:31 AM | andrewscott
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#183648 06/30/09 09:53 AM 06/30/09 09:53 AM |
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Posts: 3,969 | Well, one thing they had going for them was that there were two of them. If they had a clue how to right the boat, they would have been all set (assuming the mast was sealed). People really need to practice this before they go anywhere.
As a former idiot, who tried this trick single-handed once (my third time ever on my first Hobie), and wound up out overnight on the bottom of a Hobie 16, I totally agree with Matt's list. At a minimum, the VHF, tied to you, is critical. I used to get laughs and stares when I showed up at fleet events with my VHF, until I told people this story. Amazingly, no one thinks it could happen to them, so not one other person went out and got a VHF to sail with routinely. I won't even go out without one anymore.
Anyway, as for their boat, mine got back in the same shape, and the damage was done by the Coast Guard. They didn't know how to right it, so they tried to drag it in (sideways, I presume). My guess would be that they used grappling hooks, because I've seen them up close, when they show up with a 41-footer, they have zero plans of going in the water to do anything...
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#183669 06/30/09 11:11 AM 06/30/09 11:11 AM |
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Posts: 5,582 “an island in the Pacifi... | As a former idiot, who tried this trick single-handed once (my third time ever on my first Hobie), and wound up out overnight on the bottom of a Hobie 16, I totally agree with Matt's list. At a minimum, the VHF, tied to you, is critical. I used to get laughs and stares when I showed up at fleet events with my VHF, until I told people this story. Amazingly, no one thinks it could happen to them, so not one other person went out and got a VHF to sail with routinely. I won't even go out without one anymore. Hawaii state law requires either a VHF radio or EPIRB on every boat. US Sail Level 2 Instructor US Sail Level 3 Coach | | | Re: Safety Quiz
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#183673 06/30/09 11:44 AM 06/30/09 11:44 AM |
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Posts: 1,307 Asuncion, Paraguay | Ok, boat flips and skipper gets seperated. Crew turtles boat and skipper gets back on board. It appears an hour passed and the cruise boat makes contact. We are to understand that the TheMightyHobie18 could not be brought out of the turtle and righted. There is no mention of hyperthermia so they must have been dressed for the water temp.
Either no righting system was on the boat or they just didn't know how to right it.
Which supports the previous conclusion that the missing equipment were brains. Even one brain would have been enough.
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#183691 06/30/09 01:20 PM 06/30/09 01:20 PM |
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Posts: 749 Santa Cruz, CA | Ok, boat flips and skipper gets seperated. Crew turtles boat and skipper gets back on board. It appears an hour passed and the cruise boat makes contact. We are to understand that the TheMightyHobie18 could not be brought out of the turtle and righted. There is no mention of hyperthermia so they must have been dressed for the water temp.
Either no righting system was on the boat or they just didn't know how to right it.
How much damage was done by the contact and was contact an hour after the initial flip or did they right it and flip again prior to the collision with the cruise boat? Hypothermia was a factor, but the crew were dressed for the occasion. No initial damage by rescue efforts, there was no collision with cruising boat. They had a righting line. Skipper released shroud pins when boat was upside down in an attempt to get it from turtle position. I post things like this to get us all thinking. I think it's a good exercise to ponder all of the variables in a real-life rescue scenario. J | | |
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