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Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: dave mosley] #184516
07/08/09 02:43 PM
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thats because you're a big wuss.

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Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: ThunderMuffin] #184519
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Thanks Jake,
The whole history of the cup is most fascinating.


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Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: P.M.] #184527
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True, but still I would have to "hart out" on that one


The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27





Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: dave mosley] #184543
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[quote=dave mosley]True, but still I would have to "hart out" on that one [/quote
What? You'd only use one hand for the hoist? Your wife's all ready used to that.Punk!


"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

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Originally Posted by andrewscott
Jake, thank you for the data...

how the heck do you know all this???


Man, Whadda' you think that cape is all about?????????????


Always borrow money from a pessimist. He won't expect it back.
Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: zander] #184568
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Just seeing if you were listening....


The men were amazed, and said, "What kind of a man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?" Matthew 8:27





Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: dave mosley] #184572
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Originally Posted by dave mosley
Just seeing if you were listening....

Always.


"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea
Isak Dinesen
If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most.
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Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: Jake] #184580
07/09/09 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake
Nah, only about $15 Million per boat.


ohhhh, well then i will get a couple!

Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: dave mosley] #184584
07/09/09 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dave mosley
I would hate to have to grind that sail up every day!


But I'm sure you'd tolerate it if they paid you... what does an average AC crew earn these days...


Jay

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Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: ] #184675
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another look. She went again for a long sail over the horizon today. They're doing a lot of weird trimming things probably doing tons of testing and data recording (the boat has dozens of stress sensors laminated into the hull construction all wired back to a central recording station).

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Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: Jake] #184753
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Originally Posted by Jake
She went again for a long sail over the horizon today.


Did that take, what, about 10 minutes?


Jay

Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: ThunderMuffin] #184981
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Have they named the BMW boat yet? Should be Raptor or something, from the front looks just like a Klingon Bird-of-Prey...

(Did I really just type that???) frown

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You did. It does. Very cool.


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Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: pgp] #184985
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When it is in final configeration it will be named USA.


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Its name is DoGzilla.


or


officially its called BOR 90.

Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: ThunderMuffin] #185140
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Hey who broke into "The Man Shed" my boat is gone.


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Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: ThunderMuffin] #185168
07/15/09 05:52 AM
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Quick update. BMWO filed against Alinghi for contempt of court (2nd time now) for stating that they can change the rules at any time as per their liking and for Alinghi giving the ISAF $209,000, requesting them to delay the formation of the judge panel for the America's Cup (which they did) and hiding the details of whatever agreement the $209,000 went towards.

(remember, this is only the 2nd time an America's Cup has actually happened in absence of any mutual consent and is now under the old language governing the match in the Deed). As for the rules thing, the DoG states:

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...and these races shall be sailed subject to its [defending club's] rules and sailing regulations so far as the same do not conflict with the provisions of this deed of gift...


Read the whole deed here

Alinghi is contending that this wording allows them to change the rules at any time as they see fit as the defending club. BMWO contends that this means the existing club rules are in effect as they existed when the original challenge was filed (2007) and cannot be changed without mutual consent.

As you may already know, Alinghi unveiled a big boat last week. Although that boat has yet to be named their official challenge boat, it's obviously a step towards that direction with only 7 months left to the match. That boat has a gasoline engine bolted to the rear beam powering a hydraulic system that apparently will make the boat control a push-button operation for everything from the sail downhauls, outhauls, daggerboards, to the winches. As of yet, manual grinding stations have yet to show up on their boat and the design appears to be very dependent on the hydraulic control.

The concern by BMWO about the rules is more complex than just the engine but it's a fine example of what position this puts BMWO in. Suppose BMWO steps up and modifies their boat (or one they may be building) with a similar hydraulic system. One day before the race, Alinghi could pull out an existing or new boat withOUT a hydraulic system, change the rules, and disqualify BMWO. Clearly this was not the intent of the Deed of Gift.

The rules issue goes deeper than just the engine, and Alinghi has yet to say that the engine assisted boat is their official AC boat (they don't have to declare their boat until the 1st day of racing in February). While I think the ISAF money thing will probably turn out to be relatively benign, the rumor is that the payment was to affect "the rules" to expressly permit the use of power assist and/or ballast systems. Alinghi's club's rules (SNG), when BMWO originally filed their challenge, did not permit power assist or movable ballast. They do now. BMWO built their boat to conform to the 2007 SNG rules...we shall see.

The hearing is scheduled fro July 21 and we should see a relatively quick result.


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Re: DoGzilla re-revealed today too! [Re: Jake] #185173
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I hope SNG is removed as trustee and never again allowed to hold the cup. At every juncture, BOR has tried to play by the rules, by the spirit of the deed, only to have SNG tell them "you don't like it, take it to court". So they did... and everytime SNG has been slapped around by the courts.

FFS how many times does it take for SNG to finally realize that they have to play by the rules?

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