I'm the elitist?!

Wow reality does indeed escape you doesn't it Pete?

No,Tad, reality doesn't escape me. I'm not a communist, but I do speak to others the way they speak to me.

The logic to removing SUVs from the road is that they are a danger to others. Simple physics.

The removal of freedom is a danger to everyone. Simple Liberty.

Liberty is not license. You can't yell "fire!" in a movie theatre. You have no inherent right to put my life and liberty at risk.

My right to life and liberty are superior to your driving privilege.

And yet you can prove no directly correlation that any particular person driving an SUV is an imminent danger to your life.

If that was the case, every single hardware store would have to license a wood axe, chainsaw, or any other implement that could possibly be accidentally an implement of death.

Quite a slippery slope there Pete. You know that F16 could kill you if you flip over, hit your head and drown. I'm calling my Congressman and telling him that F16's are putting people's "lives and liberties at risk".

After all, your right to life and liberty are superior to your sailing privilege right?

I love my Suburban. What other vehicle out there can take my family of six camping, with all of the gear?

Some rights are self evident. I can't prove a pig farm is an eye sore or health hazard, yet most municipalities would prevent building one in a residential neighborhood.

But, since you are so zealous a supporter of liberty, no doubt you would welcome a pig farm next door. How about a chemical plant, propane storage, or insecticide factory?

A family of six is a different matter than one person, hoping into the SUV, and running down to 7-11 for a Twinkie.

I arguably have worse - a race track. Every spring and fall - it opens up so loud that it sounds like they're racing on my street.

But you know what, it has a right to be there - according to the laws that were passed by the people that live here. I'm part of a group that is trying to get an ordinance passed that will erect a soundproof wall around the back stretch so when the LeMans cars are wide open, it doesn't sound like talledega in my house (Sorry Jack!). It also brings much needed revenue to my town and county so its a great benefit to the community so I'm not going to be a ****ing "elitist" **** that demands its closure. (There are people around here that want that believe it or not!)

So while you may try try to insult my values, I actually live by them Pete. YOu'd better find a better target to argue against because right now I'm beating my T-ball batting average.

Furthermore, while the SUV might endanger YOU if I smash into you on the road, its protecting ME more than a car of a smaller size!

"Furthermore, while the SUV might endanger YOU if I smash into you on the road,. . ." I couldn't say it any better.

" its protecting ME more than a car of a smaller size!" And reducing your need to drive safely. SUVs promote unsafe driving practices and you drive a lot! "My isuzu's lasted 315,000 miles, 225,000 miles and 125,000 miles respectively when I sold them."

You're a mence to society whose concept of safety comes down to one word, "ME ".

Your entire idea rests upon the assumption that I am an unsafe driver, and in the same breath, generalizing and stereotyping all SUV owners as unsafe drivers.

I thought Stereotyping was one of the 10 deadly sins of leftist communists Pete.

And while I certainly care about the man next to me, I'm not going to spare any expense to ensure the safety of ME and my family.

I'm almost out of popcorn, can you guys take 5 while I go make some more?

Only if you bring me a beer when you come back

I've got to drop off anyways... I've got to get off this teleconference that I'm on and actually go do work that will improve the lives of people with cancer.

" . . .I am an unsafe driver,. . ."

Pretty safe bet. Killed anyone...yet?

Karl, make a small batch. It's almost time for me to go to the gym.

I'm sure you're both nice guys, but SHUT THE [censored] UP! We don't have to turn every discussion into a left/right, liberal/conservative face off. Gheez; I thought you guys were just trading SA type, friendly insults.

BTW, I drive a Ford E150 van; have owned 4, all the but last one used. They work great for taking lots of gear and a family off on a vacation. They work great for loading sailing gear, just don't leave wet, salty gear in overnight...what a stink. I'd like to get a smaller car to drive to work, but when I compare the investment against gas money saved, I just don't get a good trade off. When money gets less tight, I might buy a cheaper car to go to work, but I'll have to keep the van for sailing.

David
A Cat and big cat

So how's the big boat doin'? Didn't you pick that up down here?

I will probably run the 347 in my '65 Mustang on E85. Very loud, high powered and environmentally friendly. Does that make me a con or lib?? I am so conflicted...

Mary, I want the Austin Heally 3000, the Jag XK-120, or the Datsun, then again, I wish I'd never sold the 'Early' (1957) Triumph TR-3 I had as a teenager!!!

I did, Pete; you and I also met on that TRT owned by Ned Christensen. Did you know he sailed that boat from Bulgaria to Florida? What a trip that must have been.

My TRT has been doing well in the Chesapeake except that we broke our dagger boards last summer and again this summer. This time I'm having Phil's Foils in Canada build proper new ones. I sent Phil a cross section of one of the remains and his comment was that they were a piece of crap. If you ever get up to the bay, get in touch with me and we'll try to go out on the boat. Doug Kirby also has a TRT in the Chesapeake, so we have 40% of the total US fleet here in the bay.

David
A Cat and big cat