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Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: Dan_Delave] #184993
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Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: Tony_F18] #184997
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This system means that they have to sail a multiple of 3 number of races in the qualifiers to be fair.


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Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: TEAMVMG] #185014
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Great picture of JC from todays racing:
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Mitch seems to be pointing the finger here after dropping the stick, I wonder what he is saying:
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Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: Tony_F18] #185016
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"I want redress!" What else?

US is in the top 10!

Results.


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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: John Williams] #185017
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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: John Williams] #185026
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20 black flags in race two, there has to be a story behind that. With that many people over it would be really hard to work out if you needed to go back. Normally if there are a few people in front of you your pretty sure you weren't over. Not in this case.

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In my opinion, that indicates good committee work. Assuming that the line was square (it looks like it is in the GPS Replay) then it isn't fair to the teams that start correctly to keep giving OCSs another chance. I'm in the school that believes even if one OCS out of 20 "gets away with it" because they can't be identified, the remaining 50 deserve to keep their start.

I'll bet redress was filed, though - Larsen, Styles, Proust... big names. I'm not assuming these guys are guilty - I'm aware that sometimes the RC misidentifies OCS boats or makes a mistake in procedure.


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- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
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Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: ] #185038
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I followed live, they had 2 gral recalls starts previous those BFD in that fleet, so the rc just let it go to complete 2 races.

Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: F18arg] #185049
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Someone might correct me, but once the BF goes up you can't have any more general recalls can you? So the committee had no choice but scratch a quarter or the fleet. I bet there won't be as many recalls for the rest of the regatta.

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Black Flag gets you a DSQ without a hearing even if the race is restarted. Some RCs will give you a warning by throwing the black flag, then postponing, then restarting the sequence with the I or Z flag, letting you know that they have the black flag on the boat and ready.

General recalls can happen after a black flag, but unless changed in the SIs, the RC has to display the sail numbers of the BFD'd boats so they know they're not supposed to start - if a BFD'd boat starts after her number is displayed in the restarted race, she gets a BFDc, which can't be dropped.


John Williams

- The harder you practice, the luckier you get -
Gary Player, pro golfer

After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: John Williams] #185073
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Thanks.

Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: ] #185074
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if a BFD'd boat starts after her number is displayed in the restarted race, she gets a BFDc, which can't be dropped.

harsh...but them's the rules.

Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: ] #185079
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Originally Posted by Scarecrow
20 black flags in race two, there has to be a story behind that. With that many people over it would be really hard to work out if you needed to go back. Normally if there are a few people in front of you your pretty sure you weren't over. Not in this case.

There is quite a lot of current along the Belgium coast, that combined with little wind, and black flags are almost inevitable.
Had the same situation at Texel this year where the whole fleet got pushed into the pin-end like a harmonica.

Again very little wind today, according to the webcam knots only 4-6 knots.
Tomorow however should be a good day with 15-20+ winds.

Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: Tony_F18] #185156
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[quote=Tony_F18 the whole fleet got pushed into the pin-end like a harmonica.

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thats a beauty, you hum it - I'll play it!!!!!!!!!

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Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: TEAMVMG] #185201
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For me some interesting points to today’s sailing:

Taylor Booth with Jacques Bernier (1/2 USA-G) sailing great with a 4th in race 1, 12th in race 2, could not find him in race 3, then 3rd in race 4. I think they are not partying with results like this.

Robbie Daniel (USA-B) got a 6th in races 1 and 2, beating Ashby by 7 and 4 places. Then a 47th in the Third.

Jon Casey (USA- W) – 21st in race 1, 10th in race 2, could not find him in race 3, got a bad one in race 4…boat issues?

Don Dull (AUS-G), friend of mine, got a 19th in race3, 22nd in race 4…go Don!

Micha Heemskerk (NED-B) – 8th in the first, 2nd in race 2, WON the Third race, 2nd in race 4.

Carolijn Brouwer(BEL-W) got a 15th in the first race, 32nd in race 2, 22nd in the Third, could not find her in race 4.

Louis-philippe Ethier (CAN-G) – 19th in race 26th in race 2. WON the third race! 6th in race 4!

Greg Goodall (AUS-W) 4th in race 1, 5th in race 2, breakdown in race 3?, 6th in race 4,

Later,
Dan

Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: Dan_Delave] #185204
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Just Found out that Taylor and Jacques as well as Jon Casey got Black Flags in race three.

Robbie Daniel and Carolyn Brouwer did not finish the last race.

All too bad.

Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: Dan_Delave] #185215
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Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: Dan_Delave] #185417
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So I was wrong - there are more than the "big three" builders in the final top ten. I'm surprised, but very pleasantly - glad to be wrong on this one, as that bodes well for the class overall.


John Williams

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Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: John Williams] #185446
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Top 10
4-Nacra Infusion
3-Hobie Cat Wildcat
2-Shockwave F18
1-TBD (Mourniac-Wildcat?)

Top 20
7-Nacra Infusion
4-Hobie Cat Wildcat
2-Capricorn
2-Diam 3
2-Shockwave F18
1-TBD
1-Hobie Cat Tiger
1-Mattia F18

Top 30
10-Hobie Cat Wildcat
9-Nacra Infusion
2-Capricorn
2-Diam 3
2-Mattia F18
2-Shockwave F18
1-TBD
1-Bimare X4
1-Hobie Cat Tiger

For those keeping score...and who isn't? I thought it would be interesting to look at the top 10, 20, and 30. I went to 30 because I think this is a fair representation of the leaders. Some had bad days and luck. I think Mourniac was on one of the red sail Tigers. I had a hard time reading those numbers in the video and his boat was not listed.

As John W mentioned with such diverse finish places in the fleet it bodes really well for the Formula 18 class. Hopefully translating to continued fantastic growth.

If you are on the Fence about getting into this fleet the Worlds website should change your mind. 2009 Formula 18 Worlds

Later,
Dan

Hope we see all of you this September in Long Beach.

Re: F18 Worlds and what they are sailing [Re: Dan_Delave] #185449
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I'm Doing the same thing...
Mourniac is Wildcat

Shockwave was for sure the Rockstar: 2 top ten of five boats, and almost the crown.

Our experienced (1 World) crew was 50! we started racing F18 in 2008, and these two guys were Laser sailors... wink

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