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Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: ThunderMuffin] #194021
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Race 4A:

two boats over. Batchelor went over going around offset.
Raybon took a DSQ for outside assistance. Burd is seeking redress.

Finishes:
JC
Burd
Spina
Jason
Newsome
Marshack
Pitt
Ingram
Batchelor
Raybon


Philip says "there's probably going to be a bit of turnover time on this changeout"

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Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: ThunderMuffin] #194023
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Wind 9knots at 100 at the A mark. Silver fleet about to start.

Philip said he just saw a Hammerhead.

Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: ThunderMuffin] #194026
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Finish for 4B:
Newberry
Cope
Humphries
Ingram
Langefeld
Raybon
Kohl
Carlson
Witte DNF - did not go through leward gate apparently.

Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: ThunderMuffin] #194027
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Originally Posted by Undecided
... DNF - did not go through leward gate apparently.


Technically, RC can't score a boat DNF for a mark rounding error. If the boat acknowledges the error and withdraws voluntarily, she should be scored RAF. Otherwise, someone must protest. If Protest Committee determines that the boat broke rule 28, they will disqualify her and direct RC to score her DSQ.

Of course, the score is the same, so if nobody contests RC's action, the end result doesn't change.

Regards,
Eric

Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: Isotope235] #194030
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I just went down to the course. perfect conditions. 81* great wind (around 10-12) no chance of rain...

you can see the action very well from the hotel... but no one at the pool could care less. there was a sign at the state park but i didn't go in to see if there were "spectators". the course is a little more south than the picture above depicts (well clear of the sand key pass) and i could see the race from many different locations as i drove through Clearwater beach.

Tomorrow i will go again but bring my iphone to snap some pics (or my real camera if i remember it)

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...that is correct Eric. That's a huge pet peeve of mine too.

Of course, there's almost zero chance that anyone would get redress for this, since it doesn't meet the RRS 62.1 requirement of "no fault of her own."

Of course, some people have nothing better to do with their time, and different juries have been known to act differently at times...

Mike

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The Alter Cup does have provisions for protest hearings to be heard on the dock between races. This is necessary because of the way the fleet is divided and seeded after each race. It is possible the hearing was held on the dock between races and only reported as a DNF for the purposes of these updates. It is also possible the competitor did not finish after realizing the error.

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Gold fleet results:
Spina
Burd
JC
Marshack
Pitt
Tomko
Roots
Tartaglino
Jason
Newsome

First race JC didn't win!
Sorry for the delay .. was at the gym.

Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: Isotope235] #194037
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Originally Posted by Isotope42
Originally Posted by Undecided
... DNF - did not go through leward gate apparently.


Technically, RC can't score a boat DNF for a mark rounding error. If the boat acknowledges the error and withdraws voluntarily, she should be scored RAF. Otherwise, someone must protest. If Protest Committee determines that the boat broke rule 28, they will disqualify her and direct RC to score her DSQ.

Of course, the score is the same, so if nobody contests RC's action, the end result doesn't change.
There is a possible scenario for a DNF: the crew notice their own mistake, stop racing and cruise to the next start never passing the finish line. I've done that before...

Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: brucat] #194039
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I didn't mean to hijack this thread, so let's move the rules discussion to http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=194029 which pgp started to discuss this topic.

Regards,
Eric

Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: ThunderMuffin] #194069
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Originally Posted by Undecided
Wind 9knots at 100 at the A mark. Silver fleet about to start.

Philip said he just saw a Hammerhead.


Most likely what he saw was a Shovel Head shark.....but, Hammerheads are out there.


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Originally Posted by catman
Originally Posted by Undecided
Wind 9knots at 100 at the A mark. Silver fleet about to start.

Philip said he just saw a Hammerhead.


Most likely what he saw was a Shovel Head shark.....but, Hammerheads are out there.

I know the difference. Hammerhead, nuff said. As for some of the posts I have just read regarding wind speed and direction, the data I'm providing is real time, from multiple calibrated instruments, ON THE COURSE, so please, refrain from youe interweb prognog. It doesn't get anymore accurate than this. As for the waves, JC just sailed around the 4-5 footers, and only found the 2-3 footers. He's that good. smile

Very nice banquet last night, which addressed the future of the Alter Cup, Olympic multihulls, etc. That deserves it own thread.

Thanks Tad!


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"Very nice banquet last night, which addressed the future of the Alter Cup, Olympic multihulls, etc. That deserves it own thread."

Let's see it! I'm sure lots of folks are interested in that.




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Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: pgp] #194076
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You're all welcome. I have to atone for the multiple transgressions that I've perpetrated on the catamaran community. Consider this my penance smile

Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: ThunderMuffin] #194077
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Nice little article on SA about the Alter Cup, with credits - JC At The Alter
http://www.sailinganarchy.com/index_page1.php

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Just got the boat/team matchup from Philip. He's on the beach taking some pics that he's gonna email to me shortly.

They're expecting some higher winds and flatter water today so they dialed up all the diamond wires from 33 to 35 on the loos gauge.

Sounds like they're getting off a little later than scheduled. As soon as I get wind/water conditions I'll post em.

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Thanks Tad!


You're all welcome. I have to atone for the multiple transgressions that I've perpetrated on the catamaran community. Consider this my penance smile


what were your "transgressions".... smile

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To many to name, and to egregious to pass my errr lips?...

Re: Alter Cup Updates from water [Re: ThunderMuffin] #194085
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Wind 075, course 6G, upwind finish, 8 knots, first race underway.

Ingram first to A mark.

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