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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: Kris Hathaway] #197038
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Kris,

Do you also remember in what mode these boats were measured.

As in as a 1-up or as a 2-up (meaning whether all the related jib gear was included ?)

Thanks

Wouter


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Originally Posted by Kris Hathaway
Constantine's Taipan - 104.5 ding, ding, ding (winner)!

We nicknamed his boat "Skinny B?tch" much to his chagrin in honor of the current New York Time Bestseller book with the same title.

Skinny B?tch

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Originally Posted by Wouter
Do you also remember in what mode these boats were measured.

All 1-up.


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None had the jib selftacker rail still fitted to the front beam or the jib cleats ?

These two items are half the jib package weight you see.

Weird to see 3 kg difference between Kris's and Daniel's Falcons.

Wouter

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Ed's and mine were stripped clean of any jib equipment.

I did not study Dan's.....probably had the self tacker and jib cleats because it is a "demo" boat. His is the first Falcon produced BTW.

Can't remember Constantine's exactly but I know that he could go lighter if he fully stripped it of all jib gear. Which jib package pieces remained evades me at the moment. BTW, his is so well maintained that it looks new!!!


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Pete,

In another thread you said that you have gotten an official measurement certificate and what does it say under ready-to-sail weight there ?

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She didn't weigh my boat, just measured the sails.


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What is your sail number Pete ?

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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: Kris Hathaway] #197057
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Originally Posted by Kris Hathaway
BTW, his is so well maintained that it looks new!!!


When I saw that, I was completely AMAZED!!!


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His (Dan Feldman) is the first Falcon produced BTW.


And your Falcon is a prototype or also a production series model ?

Wouter


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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: Wouter] #197068
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Originally Posted by Wouter
And your Falcon is a prototype or also a production series model ?Wouter

Don't know. It's a blurry line at the beginning of a production series. I was fortunate to have been accommodated with such short notice with my order. It is noticeably solid and nicely finished.

We were lucky to have 2 very involved manufactures that are both producing very fine F-16s. The winners are the customers. A tribute to a well thought out formula class.

BTW, the pimped out "R&D" Falcon has angled dagger wells (bait).


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Okay Kris, so your boat is an "introduction series" boat.

One of the first out of the moulds. These are typically a tad heavier.

Thanks

Wouter

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Thanks Wouter, wink

And what about experience levels? Any professional sailors being paid or sponsored to race in this event?

If so which crews?? cool



Originally Posted by Wouter
Here are the tidied up results and data of all who participated in the F16 GC 2009 Gulfport USA.

10 Vipers, 7 Blades, 4 Falcons, 2 Taipans and 1 G-cat F16; in total 24 crews who finished at least 2 races.

The event saw 8 singlehanded crews and 16 doublehanded crews.

And first place overall went to an adult/kid team, with a two-blokes doing second place and a mixed (aldult) male/female team in third. A very nice mix of the F16 (2-up) target group indeed.

Interesting to note (see the green numbers) is that the claim that Vipers were the first 5 boats over the line in the heavy wind days is not really reflected in the results.

Vipers were 1 to 5 in races.. 1, 2, 5, 6, 10, 11 and 12 (all strong wind days apparently)
But indeed were not in races 3, 4, 7, 8 and 9 ..........(or in light wind races 13, 14 and 15)


However, Viper crews were first 3 boats over the line in race 1 to 12 (heavy winds); still an incredibally impressive result, no doubt about that.

Best grouping of non-Vipers crews was in race 13 were 2 Falcons and a Blade laid claim to finish places 2 to 4.

Best score by a Taipan crew was 6th place in race 6 after that they stuck to midfleet placings; really not bad for an oldie. There also doesn't appear to be that much difference between a 1-up and 2-up Taipan.

And of course we see how well Andi Lutz and Martin Schori did; they have put in 4 top 5 finishes on a Blade; 3 of them in heavy winds.

Team McDonald did 6 top 5 finishes overall on their Falcon F16. Also 3 of these in heavy winds.

It is also nice to note that after the previous two Global Challenges were won by a singlehanded F16 skipper (2007 : Hans Klok/Blade, 2008 : John Pierce/Stealth); this years GC was dominated by the doublehanded crews. All GC's up to now had big wind, so that can't be given as an excuse. grin

I think this wraps it up and till next years F16 Global Challenge !


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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: mikeborden] #197087
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Thanks guys. I think the light weight and how clean the boat looks, after 7 seasons of racing, says a lot about the quality of the Taipan. For the record, when the boat was weighed (officially recorded at 104.5 kg) the only non-essential parts for one-up racing that were still on board were the crew's set of trap lines. I completed the GC with these extra lines (as Kris told me before the race, they come in handy when you need to climb back aboard, and he is right).

I just wish I could sail it to its potential. There is no doubt that the boat a lot more potential that I need to tap into.

This was a great event! I had a really good time. Thanks and congratulations to the Gulfport Yacht Club for hosting a very successful event. Also many thanks go to the City of Gulfport for allowing us to use the fantastic municipal beach, parking lot, and the “Casino Hall” for the banquet.

The conditions were challenging and I have definitely expanded my wind range. I wish that our sailing season were just starting so I could practice some of the things that I learned.

Constantine


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Re: 2009 F16 Global Challenge [Re: Buccaneer] #197095
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Originally Posted by Buccaneer

And what about experience levels? Any professional sailors being paid or sponsored to race in this event?




I found this interview with Greg Goodall intriguing. from 3:30 to 4.00 He speaks about the type of sailors the class is aimed at, non professional sailors.

no rock stars for the f16's afraid.


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I guess you would have to define the word 'professional sailor' before making such a comment. I say this as the 07 Global Challenge was won by Hans Klok (Catamaran Parts). 08 Global Challenge was won by John Pierce (Stealth Marine) Hans also entered. Greg Goodall(AHPC) and Matt McDonald (Vector Works Marine) were both participating in the 07 & 09 Global Challenges. To my mind all of the above could be classed as Pro Sailors. I accept they are all manufacturers of sailing equipment and aren't necessarily being paid directly to compete but I think it's really good for the Class and probably better than having paid jockey's turn up and take the trophies.


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yep I gotta agree with you on that one..;)


Originally Posted by Mark P
I guess you would have to define the word 'professional sailor' before making such a comment. I say this as the 07 Global Challenge was won by Hans Klok (Catamaran Parts). 08 Global Challenge was won by John Pierce (Stealth Marine) Hans also entered. Greg Goodall(AHPC) and Matt McDonald (Vector Works Marine) were both participating in the 07 & 09 Global Challenges. To my mind all of the above could be classed as Pro Sailors. I accept they are all manufacturers of sailing equipment and aren't necessarily being paid directly to compete but I think it's really good for the Class and probably better than having paid jockey's turn up and take the trophies.


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