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Re: That Cuban Run [Re: arbo06] #199227
12/20/09 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by arbo06
Would we have to carry rifles to Cuba? Todd?


Definitely!!!
Lot's of 'em. laugh


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Re: That Cuban Run [Re: Team_Cat_Fever] #199237
12/20/09 11:59 AM
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And lawyers... and money...


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Re: That Cuban Run [Re: John Williams] #199248
12/20/09 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by John Williams
And lawyers... and money...

That's what they say.


"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"

The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea
Isak Dinesen
If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most.
E. B. White
Re: That Cuban Run [Re: John Williams] #199250
12/20/09 06:59 PM
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Minneapolis, MN
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Originally Posted by John Williams
And lawyers... and money...


They are only needed once the @#&%! has hit the fan! Fortunately, as the story goes, they can be sent after the fact.

Re: That Cuban Run [Re: B Carlson] #199275
12/21/09 10:36 AM
12/21/09 10:36 AM
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speaking with a very small amount of experience, things seem to get all wierd when you lose sight of land. especially if it starts getting dark (beit cloud or sunset)... don't ask me how I know.


Jay

Re: That Cuban Run [Re: waterbug_wpb] #199280
12/21/09 11:20 AM
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Home is where the harness is.....
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Home is where the harness is.....
So.... is anyone here actually considering doing the race?

I'm excited at the prospect, but realize there are quite a few risks involved.

Re: That Cuban Run [Re: Will_R] #199285
12/21/09 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Will_R
So.... is anyone here actually considering doing the race?

I'm excited at the prospect, but realize there are quite a few risks involved.


I think it is a little strange that we see nothing from the organizers to dispel rumor and innuendo.


Jack Woehrle
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Re: That Cuban Run [Re: Mugrace72] #199287
12/21/09 11:59 AM
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we do have a small semi-closed community here...it's possible they just don't know this thread is here.


Jake Kohl
Re: That Cuban Run [Re: Mugrace72] #199289
12/21/09 12:21 PM
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http://groups.google.com/group/the-cuba-run, there is a contact person listed.


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Re: That Cuban Run [Re: David Ingram] #199291
12/21/09 12:30 PM
12/21/09 12:30 PM

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I tried to contact the organizer contact by phone, but didn't get a response. I did receive an email and it said we were "registered." I would like to talk to someone at least on the phone before getting into something like this.

Having one or two H33s accompanying us isn't what I call safety. Hull speed of like 8 knots will take a long time to get to anyone in peril.

I do think the boats should be similar so we can stay somewhat 'together.' Of course, a well maintained TheMightyHobie18 can make it, but they would likey be way behind the main pack, and if the safety boat follows the last boat, then they won't be anywhere near the 'bunch' to help, especially if the spinnakers pop out.

EPIRBs, SAT phone, multiple GPSs, glow sticks, reflective tape, VHF, backlit compass, flashlights, plenty of spare parts, and even a radar reflecter might be a good idea.

Re: That Cuban Run [Re: Jake] #199292
12/21/09 12:35 PM
12/21/09 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jake
we do have a small semi-closed community here...it's possible they just don't know this thread is here.


yeahbut... we have a sizable percentage of the cat sailing community in the US represented here. I'd expect that regardless of the organizers knowing that this thread existed there would be someone here interested in doing this race.

Re: That Cuban Run [Re: ] #199309
12/21/09 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DUH

I do think the boats should be similar so we can stay somewhat 'together.' Of course, a well maintained TheMightyHobie18 can make it, but they would likey be way behind the main pack, and if the safety boat follows the last boat, then they won't be anywhere near the 'bunch' to help, especially if the spinnakers pop out.


If the chase boats are Hobie 33's they will most definately be following the last boat. Even Hobie Waves are allowed to race.


Collin Casey
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Re: That Cuban Run [Re: JACKFLASH] #199311
12/21/09 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JACKFLASH
If the chase boats are Hobie 33's they will most definately be following the last boat. Even Hobie Waves are allowed to race.
Now thats just ridiculous. Hobie Wave skipper and race organizers should be fined and charged the cost of any search and rescue required, if it came down to that.

Re: That Cuban Run [Re: JACKFLASH] #199312
12/21/09 04:02 PM
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JACKFLASH: only production beach cats from 18' to 22' are allowed. Waves do not fit the minimum requirements.

Re: That Cuban Run [Re: Will_R] #199316
12/21/09 04:23 PM
12/21/09 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Will_R
So.... is anyone here actually considering doing the race?

I'm excited at the prospect, but realize there are quite a few risks involved.


I'm registered for the race, sailing with Jamie Livingston.


Trey
Re: That Cuban Run [Re: NCSUtrey] #199329
12/21/09 10:29 PM
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I'm registered, I've talked with the organizer, and I still have alot of questions.


Philip
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Re: That Cuban Run [Re: P.M.] #199350
12/22/09 09:36 AM
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Newport, RI
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Where are you guys registering? I can't find anywhere to do it.
Is there a preregistration list anywhere?

I'm interested but still have a lot of questions as well.

Re: That Cuban Run [Re: ] #199380
12/22/09 04:55 PM
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I've been sitting back reading all this and feel I need to finally chime in. I've been in close contact with John Webster on this since early last summer. Some rules are still to be ironed out as far as requirements. It's not a "sign up and you can come do it" type of event. ALL sailors will have to "prove" thier capabilities either through a resume or by references. Chase boats aren't completely designated yet. There may be a power chase boat. I told John about this thread. I'm sure he will respond sooner or later but all questions will probably be answered on or through the official website.
So, all you "armchair sailors" trying to decide who's going to pay the "rescue bills" should relax and suck your chests back in before you have a stroke. More details will be addressed as soon as possible. If you don't have the skills or experience to do this type of event, maybe think twice before you keep posting some of your "expert opinions".
Wondering about safety equipment? I'm not the one who wrote the rules but I'm betting on EPirbs, GPS, strobes, flares, Sat Phones (although we have hit and miss results with them, even the race organizer has had a bad experience with one), compass, charts, safety teather with quick release. These are some of the things we use in the Tybee and GT and have come to know and trust them. No reason not to require them here.
Some of you who are ACTUALLY going to do this event can pm me and I'll give you my number if you want to talk to someone about this to get anymore insight.



Lee

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Re: That Cuban Run [Re: TeamChums] #199381
12/22/09 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamChums
I've been sitting back reading all this and feel I need to finally chime in. I've been in close contact with John Webster on this since early last summer. Some rules are still to be ironed out as far as requirements. It's not a "sign up and you can come do it" type of event. ALL sailors will have to "prove" thier capabilities either through a resume or by references. Chase boats aren't completely designated yet. There may be a power chase boat. I told John about this thread. I'm sure he will respond sooner or later but all questions will probably be answered on or through the official website.
So, all you "armchair sailors" trying to decide who's going to pay the "rescue bills" should relax and suck your chests back in before you have a stroke. More details will be addressed as soon as possible. If you don't have the skills or experience to do this type of event, maybe think twice before you keep posting some of your "expert opinions".
Wondering about safety equipment? I'm not the one who wrote the rules but I'm betting on EPirbs, GPS, strobes, flares, Sat Phones (although we have hit and miss results with them, even the race organizer has had a bad experience with one), compass, charts, safety teather with quick release. These are some of the things we use in the Tybee and GT and have come to know and trust them. No reason not to require them here.
Some of you who are ACTUALLY going to do this event can pm me and I'll give you my number if you want to talk to someone about this to get anymore insight.

WOW there cowboy, let me tell you something. First of all I aint no arm chair sailor. Ive done my fair share of distance racing, solo and crewed. My resume isnt as extensive as some folks here, but I understands the rigors behind it all.
Secondly I have a much longer resume than anyone on this site or even the sailors in rescue operations. My intent with this thread was to open the eyes of those who think this is a jump across a puddle.

My concern is the newbie sailors who will expose themselves to a uncertain playing field and the race organizers who let such newbies in the game.

When you understand the logistics, cost, man power and LIVES it takes to search for anyone you will understand. TILL THEN dont you call anyone here arm chair sailors. And NO I WILL NOT suck my chest back because you feel the need to say so. If something were to happen its THOUSANDS of miles of a search area, read my other posts and even the home brewed map I created.

You have a lot of nerve to post what you just posted, specially saying "There MAY (just MAY) be chase boats, what kind of chase boats and what is there range?

Seriously do you have any idea what this race entails?
The risk vs gain to me is just not worth it. I wish the best to all the sailor. I can tell you thing for sure is, I will be very worried when this event goes down, not only for the sailors but for the folks who put there lives on the line to help others.

Seeing how the FL straights is in our area of operations (AOR) USCG I will make sure my high command is very aware of what is going on and I will suggest a higher alert.

Re: That Cuban Run [Re: Robi] #199382
12/22/09 06:06 PM
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Good on you Robi. This is not a coastal race. A high level of supervision is in order.

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