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[Re: Mike Hill]
#203118 02/12/10 10:33 AM 02/12/10 10:33 AM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | The problem I see, is that there were no mangroves or mud flats in the course. Good job anyway to BMWO!!!
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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[Re: Karl_Brogger]
#203119 02/12/10 10:36 AM 02/12/10 10:36 AM |
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Posts: 612 Cape Town, South Africa | Good for them for taking the penalty turn! Very sportsmen like. Here`s what I think : Alinghi finished first and then did the penalty to do one of several possible things : - See what the real time difference was between them, OR - File for redress and claim the they were not in the wrong, protest BMWO for the startline incident. By finishing before doing the penalty, they are basically saying they are not admitting guilt. Guess which option I think they are going with, based on their "sportsmanlike" behaviour in the past. | | | Re: America's Cup Countdown
[Re: Steve_Kwiksilver]
#203120 02/12/10 10:38 AM 02/12/10 10:38 AM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Good for them for taking the penalty turn! Very sportsmen like. Here`s what I think : Alinghi finished first and then did the penalty to do one of several possible things : - See what the real time difference was between them, OR - File for redress and claim the they were not in the wrong, protest BMWO for the startline incident. By finishing before doing the penalty, they are basically saying they are not admitting guilt. Guess which option I think they are going with, based on their "sportsmanlike" behaviour in the past. I concur, sounds par for the course.
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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#203122 02/12/10 10:45 AM 02/12/10 10:45 AM |
Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 67 Daytona Beach Jeff_Bowers
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Posts: 67 Daytona Beach | I thought the purpose of the on the water judges are to end the protests? If the judge says you fouled, then you fouled.
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#203125 02/12/10 11:06 AM 02/12/10 11:06 AM | andrewscott
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Unregistered | Good for them for taking the penalty turn! Very sportsmen like. Here`s what I think : Alinghi finished first and then did the penalty to do one of several possible things : - See what the real time difference was between them, OR - File for redress and claim the they were not in the wrong, protest BMWO for the startline incident. By finishing before doing the penalty, they are basically saying they are not admitting guilt. Guess which option I think they are going with, based on their "sportsmanlike" behaviour in the past. I concur, sounds par for the course. Alinghi appear not to have completed their penalty properly and so the final delta is 15 minutes and 28 seconds. | | | Re: America's Cup Countdown
[Re: Karl_Brogger]
#203131 02/12/10 12:00 PM 02/12/10 12:00 PM |
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Posts: 297 | Improper finish. A5 Had to go back. More ugly than my famous cartwheel finish at Roton Pt. (Finished our race with the mast crossing the line.)
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[Re: carlbohannon]
#203132 02/12/10 12:01 PM 02/12/10 12:01 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake OP
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | My take - WHAT A DRAMATIC START! that was wild! irons on the startline...I hate that when that happens.
BMWO obviously dropped the throttle once both upwind and downwind and still made it look like a cakewalk. I truely believe they could have won that 20 mile race by more than the 2.2 miles they did - it could have easily be 5 miles, maybe even 6 on a 40 mile race. That's at least a 12 to 15% better efficiency around the course...amazing.
And this was supposed to be the wind that the boat's transitioned and should have been somewhat equal with A5 having an advantage in lighter wind. We didn't see that today at all - USA showed the ability to consistently fly both hulls all day. Alinghi spent 30% of the time with their windward hull skimming the water upwind. Downwind they had to go much higher to fly the hull than USA. I genuinely thought that USA-17 had the technical advantage but I didn't think it was going to be by this much.
Now that I've lost a bunch of worktime today, I wont' get to see the press conferences, but I can't wait to hear the reactions from both sides. I'm betting Alinghi will be saying something that implies that the wing isn't a sail and the tri isn't a sloop.
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Jake Kohl | | | Re: America's Cup Countdown
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#203134 02/12/10 12:01 PM 02/12/10 12:01 PM |
Joined: Apr 2002 Posts: 805 Gainesville, FL 32607 USA dacarls
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Posts: 805 Gainesville, FL 32607 USA | GG jobson, you promoted cat sailing like you said you would.
F16 and F18 plugging by Randy! Randy was asked to comment on F16 and F-18 sailing by GJ and did so very well, naturally: Also their racing commentary was dramatically better than the 2 old fat guys on BMW/Oracle site. Much more sailorly!
Dacarls: A-class USA 196, USA 21, H18, H16 "Nothing that's any good works by itself. You got to make the damn thing work"- Thomas Edison
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[Re: carlbohannon]
#203135 02/12/10 12:02 PM 02/12/10 12:02 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Let's see...
Dial-up... check Drama... check Tactics... check Unprecedented speed... check
Even the Yachties are waxing post-coital. That was pretty badass. How can you look back after this?
John Williams
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After watching Lionel Messi play, I realize I need to sail harder.
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[Re: John Williams]
#203136 02/12/10 12:03 PM 02/12/10 12:03 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Let's see...
Dial-up... check Drama... check Tactics... check Unprecedented speed... check
Even the Yachties are waxing post-coital. That was pretty badass. How can you look back after this? They'll find a way. I'm sure they said the same types of stuff in '88.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: America's Cup Countdown
[Re: John Williams]
#203137 02/12/10 12:08 PM 02/12/10 12:08 PM |
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Posts: 548 MERRITTISLAND, FL | Let's see...
Dial-up... check Drama... check Tactics... check Unprecedented speed... check
Even the Yachties are waxing post-coital. That was pretty badass. How can you look back after this? You suppose we will now have a better chance of racing on Sunday. A wanted the light stuff to supposedly show off their better performance but had trouble keeping powered up. Now maybe they will want to schedule a bunch of wind to try the opposite as they got their butt kicked in what they thought they wanted. | | | Re: America's Cup Countdown
[Re: John Williams]
#203144 02/12/10 12:22 PM 02/12/10 12:22 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD Keith
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Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD | I had to miss work today due to no day care, after missing work all week due to snow. Felt bad about missing work, but no more!
That was simply the coolest AC match I've ever seen. I think that may be the coolest sailing footage ever.
Overall - I think BMWO has a better knowledge of their boat. It took A too long to change modes and shift gears. A looks to be a bit more maneuverable, and showed good speed once in the groove. Either the grove is too hard to keep, or the crew doesn't have it all dialed in. Watching the mark rounding and the first part of the downwind leg pretty much summed that up.
If A gets things figured out they have a chance. A tacking duel would suit them well. If today is an indication, BMWO has the sailing and teamwork advantage regardless of the boats.
Good thing this will only last for three racing days max, I'd end up getting fired if it lasted longer!
Off to have a cigarette...
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