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Hamburg | Geeeez, The rubbish that keeps me awake at night........................ me too. EB said, that the boat was too overpowerd downwind, but for me it looked rather like underpowered, having difficulties to lift the hull. In this case a quick fix could be to modify the traveller so they can pull it to windward. If they are overpowered, they should try a smaller gennaker, if they have one. I guess that best they can do is to pray for winds below 8kts. Cheers, Klaus | | | Re: America's Cup Countdown
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South Carolina | I'm quite sure that even lighter winds will not help Alinghi. As it was, BMWO was able to fly hulls sooner and sail much higher upwind and lower downwind. I saw Alinghi trying several things with weight distribution both upwind and downwind but they could not get close to sailing similar angles as USA while keeping a hull flying.
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Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | ior Geeeez, The rubbish that keeps me awake at night........................ me too. EB said, that the boat was too overpowered downwind, but for me it looked rather like underpowered, having difficulties to lift the hull. In this case a quick fix could be to modify the traveller so they can pull it to windward. If they are overpowered, they should try a smaller gennaker, if they have one. I guess that best they can do is to pray for winds below 8kts. Cheers, Klaus I think what he means when he says they were overpowered is the boat couldn't take anymore structurally. The wing is a superior. I would like to see the two race with soft sails. It would be a better measure of the platforms.
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South Carolina | heard at SA:
A wingie killed Alinghi.
Alinghi brought a cat to a DoG fight.
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+31NL | heard at SA:
A wingie killed Alinghi.
Alinghi brought a cat to a DoG fight. Every DoG has its day. A CATastrophe! I do really fear that when BMWO does win this AC we will go back to the proverbial shitboxes, a fear that I know even some US sailors share. | | | Re: America's Cup Countdown
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Crofton, MD | Not in reply to anyone posts inparticular. Maybe its already been mentioned. I was looking at the race last night and it looked to me that Alingis slot going upwind was closed. Maybe it was the camera angle.
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Florida Suncoast, Dunedin Caus... | Not in reply to anyone posts inparticular. Maybe its already been mentioned. I was looking at the race last night and it looked to me that Alingis slot going upwind was closed. Maybe it was the camera angle. And the contrast of the sail shape's. BOR fuller shapes, A board flat.
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+31NL | I just put some new pics online from the AC building in Valencia. Picasaweb AlbumThe Swiss had a little procession after the loss. Ringing their cowbells and airhorns: ![[Linked Image]](http://lh6.ggpht.com/_AV_-Gkch_WY/S3a2m0V4-1I/AAAAAAAAC_I/6dqovXsowiw/s800/P2113414.JPG) | | | Re: America's Cup Countdown
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South Carolina | heard at SA:
A wingie killed Alinghi.
Alinghi brought a cat to a DoG fight. Every DoG has its day. A CATastrophe! I do really fear that when BMWO does win this AC we will go back to the proverbial shitboxes, a fear that I know even some US sailors share. I'm not sure that even Alinghi could have gotten enough interest in it to have it on multis...so yeah, I'm afraid that's probably going to happen...but who knows? Maybe Ellison is amped up enough about multies that we might have an AC raced on a class 40' or 60' winged trimarans WITHOUT ENGINES (would that be cool?)
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Cutler Bay, Florida | heard at SA:
A wingie killed Alinghi.
Alinghi brought a cat to a DoG fight. I probably know less about catamarans and racing than anybody else here, but I was wondering if it is really possible that a catamaran could beat a trimaran, especially in a case where each designer is doing his best to optimize speed. | | | Re: America's Cup Countdown
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South Carolina | They talked about that quite frequently on the native coverage - they dumped ballast pretty often - I presume they were trying different configurations to see if they could get better performance (or maybe were shifting to accomodate different wind).
I also thought of something else too - the times they had both hulls in the water may have been intentional in order to scoop up ballast.
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Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Yep,
I noticed that also, Then downwind they saw it and made a big deal about it.
You said the SIs said port roundings? Harold Bennett made an announcement over the radio that there would be starboard roundings, before the first proposed AP drop.Are Starboard roundings just a match racing thing or what? Don't seem to see them much anywhere else.
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I also thought of something else too - the times they had both hulls in the water may have been intentional in order to scoop up ballast.
They were scooping alot of water then. I say poor boat balance and poor helm.
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If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most.
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Newport, RI | Starboard roundings are the standard in match and team racing... creates more rules situations which in turn creates more possible plays.
That being said it doesn't do anything when the lead boat is 3+ minutes ahead.
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Hamburg | heard at SA:
A wingie killed Alinghi.
Alinghi brought a cat to a DoG fight. I probably know less about catamarans and racing than anybody else here, but I was wondering if it is really possible that a catamaran could beat a trimaran, especially in a case where each designer is doing his best to optimize speed. Do you think BMWO is a tri? It sailed 99% of the time as a cat (center hull out of the water). So a cat has beaten another cat. The big differences are in the size (length and width) and the rig, maybe in the LIDAR (doppler laser) wind measure equipment. I don't know about the weight difference. Overall BMWO has the better package for the wind speeds we saw yesterday. Maybe in other wind conditions the race will be closer, maybe not. | | |
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