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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Kris Hathaway] #218140
08/24/10 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kris Hathaway
Originally Posted by Timbo
I will leave my Blade to Ding, but not the jib...
ROFLOL laugh. And if Ding wins, you'll have to drive to California to compete in the F18 Worlds?


Get out of my head Mr. Hathaway.


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: John Williams] #218141
08/24/10 01:32 PM
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I still like the way I said it better.


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Karl_Brogger] #218143
08/24/10 01:44 PM
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"I spent two days trying to get to Seattle once, I ended up going to DFW to get to SEA and eventually on to HNL."

One of the big reasons we MOVED TO FLORIDA in 1997 was because we had a nightmare experience trying to get home from visiting my wife's Mother down here in Sebring one year.

It took the 6 of us (4 kids ages 1, 4, 8, 8) two days, on 4 flights, to simply get from Orlando to Boston! We had to FLY from Orlando to Tampa, then on to Cincinnati, then to Atlanta. Get a hotel room at midnight, get up at 5am, return to the airport for the 7am flt. to Boston. I said, "We are NEVER doing that again! We have never flown with all the kids since.

I would actually rather drive than go to the airport, I can listen to MY music and do as I please. I just can't add 2 days on each end of a 1 week regatta for travel, due to my limited time off.

And if I'm going to drive all the way up to Conn, I'm going to keep going the extra 3 hours to my Mom's house in NH and sail it up there against the kids I grew up racing against. It would be great to see them again!


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Kris Hathaway] #218148
08/24/10 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Kris Hathaway
Originally Posted by Timbo
I will leave my Blade to Ding, but not the jib...
ROFLOL laugh. And if Ding wins, you'll have to drive to California to compete in the F18 Worlds?


Do I have to drive to Cali? How about Ding drives and I fly...He's the one who loves to drive long distances.

And then he's got to pull strings for ME!

Ohhh, I'm starting to like this!

grin


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Timbo] #218152
08/24/10 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo

Do I have to drive to Cali? How about Ding drives and I fly...He's the one who loves to drive long distances.

And then he's got to pull strings for ME!

Ohhh, I'm starting to like this!

grin


What ever your heart desires Princess.


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Karl_Brogger] #218167
08/24/10 04:59 PM
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Sorry I missed this, I was out sailing off lovely Sanibel Island...in the rain.

I think boats are named after women 'cause the bitch will try to drown you if you let up for even a second. Many thanks to the anonymous fisherman who gave my "stuff", to the Parks & Rec guy, (who called my wife, scared her to death), and then drove said stuff up to the boat ramp. I really needed my keys, it would have been a bitch walking home. Being short is a pita, if I were taller, my arms would be longer and I would have been able to hang on to the rudder and reach my cooler. I really think you should let the traveler down in anything over fifteen, before you bring in the 'chute. Why do bridges look more menacing when the boat is on it's side? How fast is the wind blowing if the rain hurts your eyes so badly you have to turn your head away? Sanibel is a lovely place to sail, but a little pricey. $9 for the bridge, $2/hour for parking. But they have very helpful fishermen and Parks & Rec. guys. Even if they don't speak English, they laugh a lot.

Now...

My tent has two rooms, I only use one. We should figure an inexpensive way to send a lot of boats up NAWTH. Then you guys could fly in. Probably cheaper than driving and a lot less time.

Ding will do very well Uni, just let the traveler down...

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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: mikeborden] #218170
08/24/10 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeborden
Originally Posted by Timbo


there is not even a fleet of F16's anywhere in New England, not sure if there is but one lone boat up in Conneticut. So why make the entire class drive days or many hours to support...who?

Hey, maybe in 2013 we can do it in Seattle!


I think that's part of this discussion! smile

But anyway,


Here's what I think!

2012 We can schedule it in Panama City(to move it around) and then 2013, do it at Roton Point. By that time, there should be enough of a fleet spread out that there should be a decent showing, ~15 boats. You can't have a blow out Nationals every year. Don't forget, the F18's only had 27 or so at their Nationals only a couple of years ago.

Just make sure the organizing authority(or whom ever it is) aware that it might be a small turnout, ~15 boats.


I do think 2012 would be too soon to have it there though, especially since the Nationals where in Maryland in 2011. smile

The fact of the matter is, some people AREN'T going to travel. Especially, if it costs a lot in fuel, vacation and other stuff.

Ok, so is this discussion done?

If so, I think we need to do a poll!

Roton Point? I'm down for that! With young children, a full time job and a wife who runs a 7 day a week business it's impossible to get away. I can make time for a major regatta that's only a few hours away. I wish I had time to hook up with all you guys for the big regattas down south. It would make me a better sailor. I can appreciate the time, effort and money most of you guys expend to attend these regattas. Light wind must totally piss you off!


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: gregP19] #218378
08/26/10 10:06 PM
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2012 F16 NATIONALS @ ST. ANDREW'S BAY YACHT CLUB IN PANAMA CITY, FLORIDA!!!!!!!!!!



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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Matthew Whitehead] #218391
08/27/10 07:02 AM
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Better sneak it in before December 12. I saw a movie saying the world was gonna end.


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Karl_Brogger] #218397
08/27/10 07:32 AM
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Wait...hold it ON Dec. 12! Call it the "End of Days Regatta" ! Of course we would have to get completely trashed and not return to our wives...but I can live with that. "But Honey, the WORLD ENDED, that's why I didn't come home..."


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Timbo] #218408
08/27/10 12:54 PM
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Actually the world did not end, it flooded which puts us in a very good position during the racing.


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Then I'm going to need one of those big Tri's like Kevin Kostner in Water World!


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Timbo] #218421
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Then I'm going to need one of those big Tri's like Kevin Kostner in Water World!


"F" that! Out of all the watercraft in that movie you'd take the dinky little trimaran? Give me the tanker, if the worlds covered in water, who gives a crap if you're moving? It's not like you got anywhere to go. At least with the tanker you'd have some room to move around, go jogging, throw people from the rail....etc


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Karl_Brogger] #218801
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Is there still a discussion about the Nationals? If there is I vote for Panama City smile. I would rather not have to drive that far 2 years in a row.

Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Taylor F-18] #218857
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Floor is still open for discussion. I believe that there is a consensus for alternating "North" & "South" years. There is one additional consideration for deliberation that may be introduced next week and then I suspect there will call for motions.

Remember, actual voting will be conducted via the USF16 Google e-mail list.


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09/07/10 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Kris Hathaway
Floor is still open for discussion. I believe that there is a consensus for alternating "North" & "South" years. There is one additional consideration for deliberation that may be introduced next week and then I suspect there will call for motions.

Remember, actual voting will be conducted via the USF16 Google e-mail list.


OK...Here is an additional variable that I wish to add for the members to consider:

Roton Point hosting the 2011 USF16 Nationals during the same dates currently scheduled for WRSC.

Here are my thoughts:
- Roton Point is anxious to host the USF16 Nationals and help promote F16s in New England. By September, 2011, there should be a greater F16 presence in NE and the momentum of having the USF16 Nationals will only add to it! The proposed dates coincide with their annual event. They are rehearsed with supporting multihull events.

- Dovetails well with the F18 Nationals, placing dual teams and manufacturers much closerer to both venues, approx 4 hours driving distance.

- WRSC will host the 2013 USF16 Nationals (North year), maybe even coordinating as part of Annapolis Race Week (Labor Day Weekend) and leverage the real time footage, protest committee (as though we need one), festivities, and swag.

- StABYC members have voiced their desire to host the 2012 USF16 Nationals (South Year).

Essentially, we will have 2011, 2012, & 2013 on the books!!!


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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Kris Hathaway] #218910
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I'm in favor of this change and urge the membership to accept it. We would be able to establish ourselves, as a class, with three excellent venues who are anxious to have us.

It is my suggestion that the matter be left open to discussion for a short time and then placed before the membership for a formal vote. This vote should come soon. We do not want to keep folks waiting on our decision.

Discussion?

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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: pgp] #218912
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Originally Posted by pgp
....with three excellent venues who are anxious to have us.



Are we * THAT * notorious that they would be "anxious" to have us?

Or, perhaps, they would be "eager" to have us?

Bustin' on you pgp.

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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: Kris Hathaway] #218914
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Kris

Have you confirmed that Roton Point will be able to RC three days of racing? This event is usually a two day regatta and always a conflict with Chesapeake regattas.

You mentioned Race Week Saturday... FYI... I would not advise trying to get a start at Annapolis Race Week. They put the big boat circle (Farr 40's, PHRF A0, A1, Benne 36.5, J105 and J35's on the circle. They already have issues with the J105's. I know AYC would not mix cats on the course... (I spoke with Jeff B several years ago... they have a slow burn about the 105's already).

Second problem... they rendezvous in the middle of the bay and then try to set the course well away from the confluence of the West and South River.... It was a 45 minute motor at 6 knots to the race course this weekend. We were almost on the eastern shore this weekend. If you crash... it would be a tow boat USA scene to get back to the river or wait for the end of the day.

Finally, the party is centered in Annapolis... The 45 minute drive into downtown and then trying to park is a real party killer. The Cal 25 NA's were this weekend and I am told they feel they get a bit lost in the process. They used SSA to host their fleet parties.

These facts are reasons we have not tried to get a start in the NOODS in the spring as well. The SSA dinghy classes run their own regatta rather then fit in with the NOODs as well.

Mark



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Re: 2012 Nationals [Re: tback] #218915
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I see how ur! smirk You gonna do Juana's?

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