Bob,

Its not too easy to get the boat to foil in the extreme, it takes a specific set of circumstances controlled by the sailors in order to make the boat do that trick. In racing conditions the crew have total control over the behaviour and the boat just simply goes faster than you could expect a boat to go.

The windward board will generate lift on the windward side and aid hull flying, so its good to have it down when you want to get the hull up, but after that its quicker to have the board up a little to reduce the windward hull lift.

are the dagger trunks on the new Nacra curved, or are they a big empty box that allows for the curvature of the board?

Curved

Now thats another rash statement, without knowing my history I might just have a bit more knowledge than what you think, have a look at http://www.catsailor.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=212505&page=1

Oh, ok then. Its clear to me now that you are very experienced in curved foil development and production.

I might be very experianced, then again in your words " But your statements on the matter to date have led me to believe that you have little knowledge. and it has been said that there is nothing more dangerous than someone with a little knowledge of a subject..."

And by showing me that link you are displaying your knowledge of foil development and production? I thought they looked like Stealth foils in the photo's. So I am yet to see anywhere that you have knowledge of foil design, development or production.

correct me if i'm wrong though...

Bob,

The F20 boards can go under the boat more than the A providing more lift than the A boards. You have to get pretty far back on the boat to make it wheelie.

Wayne,

You know they make a PM button so you and Andrew can have your disagreement offline and the rest of us don't have to wade through all your post to see what is going on in this thread.

Macca only does things to raise publicity, a PM message would be wasted

whats the warranty like for the boards?

he probably should "buy an ad" really... however, it is a new design that we are all interested in to some extent. The price of replacement parts is important. I suppose when a boat costs close to 30k then it is understood everything will be more expensive- akin to the the 200k car that gets 5mpg. If you can afford the car you can afford the gas.

Macca didn't start this thread, Mike Krantz did.
Why are there F-16 sailors chafing at the bit to give him a hard time. Thinking of trading up or do you have some kind of envy or agenda? Ye doth protest too much.
I like having a factory insider willing to come on here and give us the scoop, sales spiel or not.
Wayne,
By your comment about Pm's ,it rather appears you want this in the public eye ,not Macca.

If you break a board in normal sailing then its covered. If you run into a whale, beach, rock or other object etc then its not covered!

Oh, and the F20C dagger board is approx 20% more expensive to buy (retail) than a new F18 dagger board.

Thanks Todd

That was the same as I was thinking. If you don't have a positive comment to make just keep it to yourself. Andrew has been very helpful with the setup and learning to sail the new boat for us.

Absolutely.

Macca interjected here to set the record straight, and to just give some information. I'm glad when any industry rep does that, it raises the quality of the discussion.

If the reps and industry folks don't get out here on the forums, every single freaking time the thread turns into a bunch of garage speculators, whose boat design and industry experience was attained from a gutter boat that they drunkenly built and raced at some regatta.


I'd rather hear Macca.


j

Macca has a well documented history of relentlessly (understatement) pissing off many on the F16 forum. What goes around, comes around I guess. Nacra should take note that if anyone else was delivering the message, there probably would not be the animosity as a result of Macca alienating so many.

Many in the A-Class believe most of our boats in the future will either have curved daggerboards or straight boards that have canted trunks within the hulls (like the Flyer II). A straight board in a canted trunk produces a lift component similar to a curved board. Then there is a fast boat like the A3 with straight boards and non-canted trunks.

Curved boards are not necessarily faster, they just allow you to continue to push the boat in conditions where you might be backing off with straight boards. In light air, straight boards are probably better.

Any manufacturer would be wise to not overhype (the new DNA A-Class builder has a promising boat but is big on marketing spin). The curved boards are sexy and cool looking but if not executed properly, could be slower. There is no Nacra F-20C with straight boards or straight canted boards to compare to my knowledge. The only curved boards at the LAC were on the ill fated Aethon and while they felt there was an edge in breeze, they were not sure if they would have the same pace in lighter air.

Fun stuff.

Catsailing Anarchy anyone?

Mike, Dave, macca - cool boat, deserves to be BOTY. It's a shame that this thread has degenerated. As Kris said, it's probably a direct result of previous posts by macca elsewhere. Personally, I'd just like us all to pull in the same direction for the benefit of catsailing and not piss on each others choices of boat. There are a lot of monoslug sailors out there to convert!

Here's some pics that Walter Cooper took last Wed. I'm sure some of these will make into print at Sailing World.

http://www.printroom.com/ViewGallery.asp?userid=wcphoto&gallery_id=2302735