Why is match racing a good solution for Olympics?

This is such a narrow niche of the sport. I agree it's easy to follow two boats... BUT... is anyone following these ladies?

I agree.. Mixed is a bad call for Cat racing... Our hand is strong right now... Nothing less then Open on a 20 footer of some sort.

Well, Mark, you guys had better get crackin'.

I'll remind you of your words three years ago - "any multihull."

I would take any multihull... I just think the MIXED idea is terrible. Open or Mens or Womens would be better. I get the politics... Hell, make it OPEN and pick a 16 footer... I bet you would even get some all women teams competing.

Devon asked... WHY is mixed good for the sport of Cat Racing.... Somebody should offer at least a fig leaf of explanation...

Or, come out and say, it's the best we could get...

Mixed Doubles belongs at the country club.... not the Olympics. I just don't see it...and I have a suspicion that IOC won't like the deal either.

It was first proposed by the IOC for sailing in 1995. I brought up "open" at the table and I wasn't sure who was going to slap me first, Dawn Riley or Cory Sertl. Poll the other MNAs, espesh you Aussies and Brits. The people who know people are insisting that mixed is the way back into the Games. Open is code for "men's."

Mark - tell me what your suspicion is based upon.

I think its pretty poor for us to have to accept such a compromised situation to get the multihull back in the games. What about mixed match racing?? or mixed 2 person dinghy? Mixed 2 person keel boat?

Surely there is more mixed 2 person dinghy sailing going on around the world than mixed multihull sailing??

The ISAF horror show could see a mixed multihull on Hobie 16's..... welcome to the future!

Better get on your MNA then, Macca.

My MNA are on the right page, PJ wrote the 5 and 5 plan.... but it appears that other MNA's are going down the half arsed route, that will see the old school approach retained whilst they appease the multihull crowd with this mixed multihull option... hence reducing the chances of sailing remaining an Olympic sport.

And what submission number is that, specifically?

The 5/5 plan sounded great but has lost traction over the last two years. There was the ever-present problem of the women's multihull. The mixed event was introduced partly to better balance the gender question while acknowledging the unlikelihood of a stand-alone women's cat.

YA have no submission on the position, but they are supportive of the 5/5. More of interest is this:-
US Sailing submission 087-08 for the Athens meeting actually gives the position of US Sailing supporting 5/5.... so why has that changed??

You seems really proud that you achieved a vote for mixed multihull, yet the submission from US Sailing supports both a Mens and Womens multi... seems the position has changed against the multihull.

If we have to have a mixed multihull to ensure gender equality, then where is the mixed 2 person dinghy? and the mixed 2 person high performance dinghy, or the mixed 2 person keel boat etc... Or is it restricted to the multihull because its not a real event anyhow??

forced equality is not equal at all!!!

Make the event open and let those women who wish to compete enter, but to force it upon us is not the right way to go.

Poll this then, will mixed cat create more attraction to a greater spectater audience than an open cat, and Im speaking in general here as there is always an example, if so what happens when she falls pregnant, paid sailing maternity leave lolz, or I cant sail today I got my thingies, FFS you cant pull the wool over our eyes that easy John... IOC have stated what must happen, if you truly believe that a mixed event will overshadow an open event, and anyhow an open event will still allow mixed wouldnt it???? Im not sure on that one..If it does then why narrow it down

And how can you put forward any event without a class, thats just dumb, lol i replied to my own post

Congratulations, that was incredibly sexist. Glad you are not representing Multihulls at the games.



The “excluding Muslims” comment makes for a very good argument against.

If there is only 1 discipline, then I am strongly in favour of it being open. Preferred Platform would be the Tornado, followed by the Nacra F20c. One up Vipers would be pretty cool.

No, it doesn't. There are Christian Faiths that urge women to stay home just as there are Muslims who believe women should have full liberty. You've just pigeon-holed an entire religion with a stereotype applied universally.

Sorry didnt mean to be sexist, but if i had represented the T`s for multihull games then I would had bitch slapped all the ISAF members that voted the T out, instead i sold my T and bought a nacra, a sfor your preferance the F20C is bigger better and faster, so I pick it first, but wouldnt be adverse to seeing the T`s come back, I still do miss mine sooooo much, as for the 1 up viper, Id put it 2nd to the A class but only if the A`s use a spinaker, also we should see foiling winged moths, and the 18ft skiffs replacing the other classes, what is it with the ISAF

Yes, I have and it is a mistake many of us often make. How about it excludes those who wish to practice that side of their chosen religion...... Also applies to some Christian Faiths as well.

OK Jake, i don't want to argue on this matter, I just think that we should get into the mindset of the IOC a bit more rather than just spout off what we want. It seems that the likes of the Finns and Womens match Racing contingent are better than the multihull sailors at politics.

Out of interest, part of the VMG team are currently in the middle East training with a Muslim national multihull squad that will be major players in world sailing very soon and what I say is true and should not be overlooked.

While that may be true, it opens a ginormous can of worms to put it on the table...the suggestion to consider this aspect of a mixed class proposal is to asking the ISAF and the Olympics to support the oppression of women. That will be a hard sell.

I sincerely hope that the IOC and ISAF is as forward thinking as you are Mr. Kohl. It would be a real shame if they are not.

I thought participation in the Olympics was based on what country you were from, not which religion you practiced...?

Let's make sure this stays on topic and does not degrade into something that belongs in a political thread.