Got that right !

(ask yourself, who do you want besides you when the **** hits the fan ?) you may not like my character but you know where you can depend on

Wouter

nice reply wouter, the F16 sounds awsome, tell me what is the yardstick of a foiling moth in under 5 knots? those yardsticks are taken in various wind strength etc, it may be that a F16 with equal crew weight to a C20 sailed in under 5 knots or a heavier crew on the c20 sailed in 25 to 30 knots with its wider beam the difference may be way more than you have said, that i am not sure of. Dont mean to throw mud but that is what the forum is about, thats how we learn...thanks

Thanks, Paul, for providing this summary. I'm sure folks will find it helpful. For my part, I'm grateful for your leadership and steadfast dedication to the goal of returning a multihull event to the Olympic Games.

I would have bet as my plane took off from Athens that 097 would go down in flames, leaving us with lots of pieces to pick up in the coming months. Instead, a majority in Council sought to move forward. While I agree that the margin is slim, I expect the margin will be much wider in May... there could be slight movement in the slate, but I agree with those who feel balance is important; big changes will upset the apple cart. This development already signals a tectonic change in how the Olympic Events are decided. Though there are still elements of the old, unhappy way of doing things piecemeal, I think the Olympic Commission set in motion a better method for the future.

On to the equipment evaluation!

Interestingly enough; I made the best results in very light winds on my F16 (with Nacra 20's present). Being small doesn't necessarily mean that you must be slow in light winds. There are alot of factors at play and I'm no lover of light conditions, it is just that my boat tracks very well in that stuff. Don't really understand why either. Interestingly enough, I used to push through the leesides of Nacra 20s in the big stuff and overtake them as they are depowering too much. Weaker points are in fact the middle wind ranges but difference to F18's is pretty small even there.

Lessons learned : alot of stuff may indeed be counterintuitive and we must listen to guys like John W. and John Casey who raced these boats in earnest. F16's pack alot more punch then is apparent from the specs. (and that is what I call good designing)

But other points stand ; even the H16 will be a quantum leap up in performance from anything currently in the Olympics with possible the sole exception being the 49-er (about as fast). So this bickering between fast multi's (F16's) compared to even faster multi's (Nacra 20C) is pretty meaningless in the grant scheme of things.

I have no love for the H16's, but will support it wholeheartedly and on record if that is our way back in.

Wouter

So how did Irish Cook and Sertl vote?
I'm sure that US Sailing members would like to know.

The US members at Council voted for the slate as proposed by the Events Committee. The US members of the Events Committee voted for the men's and women's keelboats and the mixed multihull in the second round.

glad to see Multihull back again. I think mixed is a mistake and does not represent the sector of multihull sailing properly. The Gender balance is really out of wack. Based on the slate they have just approved there will be 9 girls and 7 guys across the 10 sailing classes . 5 + 5 is the only way forward . Star may fight for this now and multihull may have a chance to help overturn by May. hope so

I am worried about two things:

1) The fact that the list of events is difficult to explain gives the council a good excuse to change everything.

2) The exclusion of the Star will activate a strong lobby of old, rich and famous professional sailors.

I'd feel more comfortable with the rational, symetrical and easy to understand US submission of male/female board, singlehander, doublehander, multihull and keelboat.

Ha... like that'll happen Luiz, Isn't the head of ISAF an Ex-finn or something, that would spell the end of the Finn for the Laser would get preference!!!

I still think the H16 is a good choice, they can crash just as spectacular as most, if not better. Heaps of people (countries) sail (race) them and they look cool on camera.

Perfect as a mixed multi as well. Fire away Devon....

I hear HOBIE also have great sales back up! Trying very hard to contain myself here..

Yes, they couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery

I still don't get it, what is soooo bad about the H16???

of course the H16 looks much more modern than a Tornado with spin and will be a great advertisment for the modern sport of cat sailing. Ho Ho Ho

Engineer
Irony is difficult to communicate in writing
The pic shows that Hobie would do a very good job

Devon

You're dreaming - the Hobie dealer in your State provides service second to none and has done so for many years. Mal also is a very generous sponsor of general regattas - only a week ago Sunstate Hobie sponsored the biggest cat regatta in Queensland. I'm not a Hobie owner or sailor but believe in giving credit where it is due. You are also lucky to have a very good Nacra dealer. Quit ya bitchin'.

Cheers

Trust me Ace, I know Devon was giving Mal praise, it was me he was referring to about containment!!
Sorry Paul, my comment was for Devon, I clicked 45 and missed 46.... my bad.

Actually i really meant that HOBIE has great sales backup! Their whole operation is well organised, it wasnt meant to be sinical, cant always type what you mean..typing lacks expression..sorry..

So... after defining the event... Mixed Multihull

Now comes the fun part... What do you think is important for an Olympic boat.

Back in the day, when sailboat racing was more popular in the controlling big nations, the notion was that you wanted a technically demanding and physically challenging boat that would only reward the total sailor. We got the Tornado!

As sailing popularity declined and the Olympic movement made enormous efforts to make each event inclusive of all nations... the powers that be changed their philosophy.... we got the laser. Cheap, simple, used world wide and familiar to every one. Technical, highly refined and technically demanding dinghies were out.

So... for Mixed Multihull. What will the IOC want to see. What will the Olympic Sailors want to see... What will we get from an ISAF trial ( a boat designed by committee).

Popular world wide... Simple to use, familiar to the people of the world.
or
Technical and tweaky boat that is a real challenge to sail?

Equally important to the rank and file... Will the choice of an Olympic Mixed Mulithull grow racing for the rank and file cat racer, be irrelevant or actually harm an existing class.

If it helps or hurts sailing... How do you think this works?

If it's still a mixed multihull after the May meeting I think it will be a Viper.

Only the H16 makes sense under the apparent scheme. That makes you a potential Olympian Bob. In the big picture, without prejudice, it makes perfect sense to me. I loved the "T" until they got nuts and lost focus. The Viper is a great boat, as are all the F16s and F18s, but they really don't meet the Olympic profile.

Start training guy!