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#227295 01/22/11 05:07 PM 01/22/11 05:07 PM |
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Posts: 5,525 | i am interested in trying a 1:2 spin halyard set up. Imagine only having to pull half as much line. That would speed things up. Yes, but I think that is a reciprocal arrangement: 1:2 up = 2:1 down. My thinking is 1:1 and reduce drag as much as possible.
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#227297 01/22/11 05:33 PM 01/22/11 05:33 PM |
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | I'd like to see the snails developed a bit further.
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#227299 01/22/11 06:19 PM 01/22/11 06:19 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | i am interested in trying a 1:2 spin halyard set up. Imagine only having to pull half as much line. That would speed things up. Works really well for the first 9/10th of the uphaul and then the spinny starts to fill, the last 1/10th is just a pain and 3 out of 10 hoists you can't complete without going dead down wind, don't ask me how I know. good info. thanks for posting it! I'll skip trying it. have enough maintenance to do otherwise since I never have time to do it. | | | Re: Uni spin hoist
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#227647 01/27/11 11:46 AM 01/27/11 11:46 AM |
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Posts: 4,451 West coast of Norway | Karver KB6 here Has anyone ever played with furlers on single handers? It occurs to me that with a furler and a modified retrieval setup. You could hoist the kite as you approach the mark (from Trap with little load), and simply grab the sheet and pull on it after bearing away, effectively allowing a set as fast as the 2 man boats. At the bottom mark you would furl the kite (again quicker and easier than dropping) get around the mark, get the boat going then drop the furled sail (similar to what you see on the big boats but with some form of retrieval rope). It would take some thought and setup but if you got it right you could eliminate the biggest hole in single handed performance. Will a modern spi furl well? When I looked at this way back furling was an issue. Perhaps there have been developments, or do we still have to compromise on luff shape and shoulder to make it furl? I like the snails, but would that really be faster than a regular snuffer? | | | Re: Uni spin hoist
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#227652 01/27/11 01:15 PM 01/27/11 01:15 PM | Scarecrow
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Unregistered | Good question on the shape, it would be worth a chat with a sail maker. I agree with you on the snail you're still hoisting and retreving the kite, as far as I can see it could only have more friction. There would be a slight windage advantage but I suspect it would be offset by the friction and the reported ware on the sail inflicted by the early models. | | | Re: Uni spin hoist
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#227666 01/27/11 04:11 PM 01/27/11 04:11 PM |
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | I hoist my spinny just as fast uni as sloop, the problem is, when I'm uni I can't steer at the same time. We need to figure out a way to set the spinny with one hand, quickly, while steering with other...
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#227674 01/27/11 05:54 PM 01/27/11 05:54 PM |
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Posts: 2,921 Michigan | what if there were a way to put a spinlock or some type of cleat on the snuffer line so you could at least pull it down with one hand? If you pull the snuffer line with the current set up then you need positive control of it all the time so it doesn't go crazy. if you had that cleat then you could pull, let go, reach further up and pull again. Clearly not as efficient and fast as doing it 2 handed but might be worth a try. I'd be willing to try it, but where would I put the cleat?
well, now that I think about it, we do this when we raise the spin and you still need both hands for that. oh well...
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#227690 01/27/11 10:39 PM 01/27/11 10:39 PM |
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn Karl_Brogger
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | My tackline cleat is mounted under the front beam and is released by a ring that the halyard runs through.
I'm boatless.
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#227691 01/27/11 10:48 PM 01/27/11 10:48 PM | Scarecrow
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#227694 01/28/11 03:31 AM 01/28/11 03:31 AM |
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Posts: 242 Brisveagas | This is cool if your cruising on your 60 foot shitter. But far from perfect. To coin a phrase (dont ask me how i know.)
The single line system works very well for us. Can set the kite just as quick if not quicker than the 2 line f18s. Cant expect much better than that. 1 line would be the best option for 1 up uni in my opinion.
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#227696 01/28/11 03:55 AM 01/28/11 03:55 AM |
Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 69 Live in Germany, House in UK, ... DanTnz
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Posts: 69 Live in Germany, House in UK, ... | Check out this review of 3 single handers in Y&Y UK, thing to look for is not the cat but the RS700, read the 'off the wind' system. You'll see it has a 'pump' system to raise the spin one handed. Anyone at a UK club seen this up close? A friend of mine had a 700 when I last lived in UK, but I never bothered to check this system out. http://www.shadowsailing.org.uk/documents/TrapezeSinglehanderGroupTest.pdfSee page 24 and 25 of the owners manual to get some pictures of how the system works: http://www.rssailing.com.au/pdf/rs700ownersmanual.pdfMy concern would be how quick you could get the spin down with the halyard under enough bungy tension to make the system work. It's tempting to try it out, in my case I think I can get a lot better at the two line system before I start changing things too much. I prefer two line oover one line as the split drop gives you steering window without the risk of running over the kite and you can set up for the hoist before you round the mark. | | | Re: Uni spin hoist
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#227850 01/31/11 01:36 PM 01/31/11 01:36 PM |
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Posts: 5,525 | I'm changing my single line spin halyard to a two line system. How far up the mast should I mount the cleat?
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