Tad ,get over yourself.
How about let Trey answer for himself, he's a big boy (again no pun intended).

If you're looking for the new spinnaker, EP has one for sale

http://www.epsails.com/used.htm

You see nothing wrong with one team being able to go directly to a sail maker and getting their sails custom cut for their crew weight (allegedly) yet the rest of the class does not have the same access... Really Tad!?

Like it or not the class president will be held to a higher standard, that's just how it works.

Ding, TREY DID NOT DO THIS. He bought his sails from Nacra using the class sailplan with Nacra approved sail materials built by the Nacra license sailmaker. There was no "custom cut" done - nor was his sail ever "recut".

And Trey isn't able to answer for himself because he's on the road travelling for work almost constantly.

hells bells - feel free to post about my sails or my boats...but I'll not be dragged into the **** fight.

Trey and I (both trying to work today) are having a healthy discussion via phone in between client calls and meetings. In the end, we both strive for the same goal, although the path to reach that goal is not clear. We will focus on that path. My desire is that what ever path N20 takes that the process is transparent, and put before all owners to vote. I understand that Trey's role as being the liaison between the factory and the owners is both a difficult and challenging task, one that I would not want to manage. We are bouncing around some good ideas. Clearly, N20 is at a crossroads.

As for the sails, it is obvious that the sails came directly from EP. That doesn't change the fact that Trey is an excellent sailor. So the dirty laundry has being aired. Trey can choose to answer the direct questions or not.

Tad, you really do need to go sailing. Contra principia negantem non est disputandum.

And unless Trey or anyone has secretly been using an endpole snuffer, the illegal use of the developmental sails is a mute point.

"Bottom line question; Trey, what was the complete cenario regarding the purchase of the sails that you are currently sailing with, begining with placing your order {details like, were they cut specially for your weight?} and ending with recieving them?"

In November of 2008 I wanted a new set of sails (just main and jib). I called Jack and told him that I was going to buy a new set, but I wanted it to be in smoke and white colors (Mike Krantz had the first set made, then me, then Jake, and then me again). Jack knew that smoke fabric wasn't available, or at least that E/P didn't have any. I called Skip at E/P and and got all the info for the cloth: manufacturer, model, cloth weight, etc. I told skip I'd find the fabric, he could order what he needed, and then I could have my smoke/white main. I found the cloth on the east coast up in NE somewhere and put Skip in touch. I kept in touch with Jack regarding the progress of the sails and when they'd be shipping them. They didn't get them finished in time to send to my house, so Jack shipped them to me for pickup at Tradewinds 2009. Jamie Livingston and I used them for the first time at that regatta.
They are not recut sails.
They are not cut to any specific weight.
They are not a new sailplan.
They are 100% the same as any of you can buy right now.
I did not buy them from E/P. My only involvement with Skip was to find the cloth.
Any more questions?

Devon, I'm sorry your thread has been hijacked. If you would like some solid advice on square top sails, I suggest you call Skip Elliot at E/P sails or maybe Jay Glaser with Glaser sails. Either of these 2 people will be more than willing to share unbiased, up-to-date info on what you're seeking.

Alright, who's next?

day-umm, where's my popcorn

Nope, that covers my original question.

This thread is way past popcorn...it requires alcohol at this point.

Do you really sleep in Power Ranger footy pajamas and are they Chinese knockoffs or real licensed Power Ranger pajamas?

Paul,
Don't you have a pink boat to rig?

Devon,
Trey's advice about contacting Skip Elliott or Jay Glaser is spot on.
I'll give you my thoughts on it and their worth what was paid for them. The "up" is good, not sure about the out. As far as I know the 18skiff "leech longer than the top of the mast thing" hasn't been done to that extreme on a cat. The p-19 MX actually extended the entire sail above the mast with a vertical batten. If you're not looking to stay SMOD I would talk to Jay Glaser about his A cat shapes and see if he could apply that to a main for your I-17. That's the direction I'll probably go with my N/I 20,except I won't go bigger just move around the area I have.

you better get a receipt for ever step of that process to keep us all happy too. Keeping it legit and all
sent your cover today.

Not even close, I take you have never been to a Laser or a J-24 protest meeting. Hell, Trey would have been protested on the beach and disqualified from even coming to the start line if the sails we're in the least bit in question/suspect. I would rather be Mubarak waking down the main street of Cairo then be on that hot seat - they through stuff at ya, spit in your face, key your car, kick you dog, and.........!

So I guess moving forward what is going to be the rule on sails? I'll be looking to upgrade my wardrobe over the next year or so which a jib and a spinnaker is going to happen real soon. Am I constrained to getting these through the NACRA network, or can I go to Glaser or Whirlwind and still be legal?

you'll have to go through the US Nacra network to remain class legal.

not that my opinion belongs here, cause I'm not an owner, but I say anarchy rules!!!!
In the end, if you own one of these boats you will likely be looking at a lot of DPN racing against boats that have open sail development (F18s). Might as well make it as fast as possible for its already low rating. If you guys think you will be predominantly racing against other N20s then keep it SMOD with development from one manufacturer. You have to be honest with yourself when you answer that question as a class.

Tybee--probably the biggest thing keeping these boats going--requires you to be class legal.