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#228640 02/15/11 05:51 PM 02/15/11 05:51 PM |
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Posts: 329 Chicago, Illinois USA | Yeah, I can only remember two times in the last two years that I didn't have a hand on the boat after a capsize and only one of those did the boat float so far that I was swimming as fast as I could to catch it. It was enough to say if this happens a mile or so off shore, it could be interesting.
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Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD | Yeah, I can only remember two times in the last two years that I didn't have a hand on the boat after a capsize and only one of those did the boat float so far that I was swimming as fast as I could to catch it. It was enough to say if this happens a mile or so off shore, it could be interesting. My favorite was getting pitched off the 20 at full stride downwind - had a hand on the tiller and the sheet, both got ripped from my hands almost immediately. There was no swimming to it, even after it capsized - only hope was crew getting it righted and coming back to me. | | | Re: VHF Radio
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#228683 02/16/11 10:12 AM 02/16/11 10:12 AM |
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Posts: 172 Anacortes | Same thing happened to me last summer. Threw myself off the boat gybing too fast. Held onto the tiller extension a little too long and broke the crossbar free from the tiller arm. By the time the boat slowed down it was 150 ft away. Joy had to get the kite down, and sail back to me with independent rudders. The whole time I was saying to myself... where is that chase boat?
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#228692 02/16/11 03:10 PM 02/16/11 03:10 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I've got one of those small ICOM ones, which I put in a waterproof bag and stuff it inside my PFD. Never had a problem hearing/talking into it, although the range is not very far since it's a handheld model.
Being in the waterproof bag makes pretty much anything float, too, so if you chose a handheld that isn't positively bouyant, just put it in a bag!
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Posts: 329 Chicago, Illinois USA | On the distance, most 5W models say 5 mile range I think. Is that realistic? I would think that would be OK for me. Usually there are lots of boats/sail boats out in the boat lane off shore that I could hail.
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Posts: 6,049 Sebring, Florida. | After getting pitched off my own boat and swimming home here on my lake, through alligator infested waters, at sunset, for an hour, I decided I would use a stainless steel carabiner available at Home Depot for about $5, to clip on the mainsheet through one of the leg straps of my harness, when sailing alone.
I have not yet had to test it, see if it would help me recover my boat alone, or if it would just drag me until I drown. I've managed to stay on my boat and keep it upright.
But I don't go out alone at sunset when it's blowing 20 any more...
One thing is certain, you will not be able to swim fast enough to catch your boat, even if it's on it's side, while wearing booties and a PFD. ;^)
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Posts: 329 Chicago, Illinois USA | I was hoping for a little more sense of security here. If you know Michigan's west coast, there are lots of sand dunes just off the water and they can be pretty high. Ship (or bobbing person) to shore does not sound likely. At least I would have some ship to ship communication.
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Posts: 5,525 | I was hoping for a little more sense of security here. If you know Michigan's west coast, there are lots of sand dunes just off the water and they can be pretty high. Ship (or bobbing person) to shore does not sound likely. At least I would have some ship to ship communication. Rely on self rescue. I'm convinced solo sailing a beach cat can be as safe as taking a shower. It's just that we usually sail in a social setting so the self rescue procedure has not been well thought out.
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#228734 02/17/11 10:01 AM 02/17/11 10:01 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | The best location for the caribeaner would likely be one that if dragged, would keep your face somewhere near the surface (think being dragged by parachute on your back), but that would likely get all tangled up if you were using the mainsheet.
How about a "kill switch" concept? You could run a line from your harness to a snap shackle on the lower mainsheet block. Fall off and the snap shackle opens, releasing the mainsheet entirely.
This would at least slow/stop the boat and could be used in concert with something to keep you somehow attached to the boat...
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Posts: 329 Chicago, Illinois USA | If I've learned anything sailing these boats the last two years it's "stupid happens."
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Posts: 1,459 Annapolis,MD | I think upwind and downwind present two cases here. Going upwind and falling off you can get the boat to slow, capsize, or round up by being tethered or having the sheets release. Going downwind, different story. In my case the crew was locked in trapping off the back, and couldn't get to the tiller. The boat turned downwind, depowered, and eventually capsized due his weight on the trap. By then it was a significant distance from me, and once on its side it kept moving. I've since taken to being hooked in to the trap even when I'm on deck driving downwind, at the very least it helps me feel more stable and less likely to pitch off.
The other thing I've experienced is having the crew's trap break, dropping him off the boat. The wind and swells were up, and my ability to get close enough to him to get him back on the boat was limited. This is the case where the throw bag that keeps being pictured would be good to have on board - you only need to get close enough to toss a line.
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#228787 02/18/11 09:03 AM 02/18/11 09:03 AM |
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Posts: 5,525 | I'm not sure how that bag was intended to be deployed. It was designed for kayakers. That same supplier has something like a throwable flotation device and attached line.
My intent is to secure the bag to the tramp, attach the free end to my harness and rely on my weight to pull the line out (if separated from the boat). In that case I suppose it would have to be packed, something like a parachute.
Any kayakers reading this thread?
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#228801 02/18/11 10:44 AM 02/18/11 10:44 AM |
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Posts: 51 Richmond, Va | Coming from someone who dives as well as sails, being stranded in the ocean is a definite concern, one of a diver’s worst fears. Just saw this the other day and thought it was a very neat device. A bit pricy, but it's very small, has built in strobes, GPS, DCS, VHF, waterproof on the surface, water proof shut to 425 feet, and can attach it to your PFD. Still new, so I don’t know anyone that has one, but I will be buying one before my next ocean dive. http://www.alertdiver.com/nautilus_lifeline
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