Thanks for forging ahead with this. The only thing I'm not crazy about is the no min. weight. If the class is going top be called F20na ,then conditions all around north America need to be taken into account. The lighter air in the mid to Southern East Coast( Not Florida Tradewinds) opens the door for lightweight teams to clean house . This will not propagate any class. A minimum weight with no barrier on weight (lead) carried to come up to minimum is the way I see to handle it. I've heard the weight doesn't matter story for too long, and honestly, Charlie your the first non pixie weight person I've seen say it. Depowering and lessening drag is never a handicap to a lightweight team. Look how Randy Smyth and Keith Notary did in the Worrell years ago. You never see skippers looking for big crews. Just my 2 cents on one small point. I'm very happy y'all have picked up the ball on this. Todd
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
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My bad. that's what i get for reading into a question. point taken and is obviously very important. The best answer to your question is that we don't have one yet. the discussion is very helpful in getting there. I apologize for the smarta$$ reply.
joe
Capt Cardiac Ocean Springs Yacht Club Sailor Nacra20 - Flight of Ideas #5
Well we will be getting a provisional rating up soon. Everything seems to be coming together well. Thx everyone for all your thoughts. That’s what we need to make this work right!! Keep them coming
Pete, as Mark indicated it's a pretty straight forward process to get a provisional number and I'm sure it will work the same as when the F20c number was created. The F20na class will also provide the spec to the DPN committee so it will be known to all what is being rated and what isn't.
For the short term they probably don't even need a provisional number. As long as the custom sails are the same sail area as the stock sails it's only a .995 hit which is pretty small.
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted
[Re: P.M.]
#235025 07/21/1108:30 AM07/21/1108:30 AM
Uhhhhh....Phillip. Suggestions please not just rhetoric. What do you recommend as minimum crew weight and minimum boat weight. They are important considerations as I understand it for the class to get a provisional rating.
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
Schurr Sails has been conducting specific research on higher aspect mains, and PBYC, as well as FWYC has race data for buoy and distance racing for the past years, since Mark aired out the first iteration.
Charlie - collect the data. If you go with mods you might discover that MS would benefit by using the sail mod and his weight mod.
You and Holly Keep it Rollin! Aloha B
Re: F20na Box Rule Set Posted
[Re: catandahalf]
#235037 07/21/1111:42 AM07/21/1111:42 AM
"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
Why didn't you open a thread in the 20 forum for discussion instead of claiming to be god? The rule set you are proposing lacks vision. There are already plenty of classes with 8'6" beams. The top technology 20' boats (Marstrom, Nacra 20C, Tornados) are all going to wider beams. I don't forsee any of those moving to an 8' 6" beam. Anyone who has sailed a wider boat knows "Wider is Better". I would consider cutting my boat down to 10' but never 8' 6". You might as well race F18 at that width. Count me out, I will stick with open class.
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