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#238910 10/11/11 11:01 AM 10/11/11 11:01 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | What's the Official Nacra gelcoat color for The Flesh Rocket?
;^) I'm not sure that appears in any catalog. It was chosen / mixed specifically to match the front door of a sponsor's house.
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#238916 10/11/11 06:28 PM 10/11/11 06:28 PM |
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Posts: 1,304 Gulf Coast relocated from Cali... | I'm not sure that appears in any catalog. It was chosen / mixed specifically to match the front door of a sponsor's house. Chuck told me that one sponsor wanted the boat to be the color of a "Georgia Peach", so he told Jack they wanted a Peach colored boat. Jack saw the color that was listed as peach and asked Chuck if he was sure he wanted that color. Without looking at it (over the phone) ...the rest is history.
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#238921 10/11/11 09:19 PM 10/11/11 09:19 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Peach my butt, that boat was pink. "pink" or "disturbingly flesh colored" as JW dubbed it?
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#238928 10/12/11 08:30 AM 10/12/11 08:30 AM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Peach my butt, that boat was pink. A very UN-ripe peach.
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#238934 10/12/11 10:59 AM 10/12/11 10:59 AM |
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Posts: 733 Home is where the harness is..... | Something that nobody else has mentioned it easing the main downwind. If you've got the spinnaker up, no brainer, tight main sheet. If you're in survival mode (30 isn't survival mode) with the spinnaker down, easing the main all the way is detrimental. If you keep the traveler closer to center and sheeted tighter, you won't be presenting as much direct surface area to the wind and therefore will have less force trying to pitchpole the boat. And "Peaches" as the boat was called when it was first unveiled (how many years ago?).... Yeah, we all called it something else that started with a P when we saw it. Really should have faded the gel coat to a darker color at the front | | | Re: NACRA I20
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#238973 10/12/11 10:10 PM 10/12/11 10:10 PM |
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Posts: 713 WA, ID, MT | If you're in survival mode (30 isn't survival mode) with the spinnaker down, easing the main all the way is detrimental. If you keep the traveler closer to center and sheeted tighter, you won't be presenting as much direct surface area to the wind and therefore will have less force trying to pitchpole the boat.
Yeah, that's my operating principle as well, although the harder it blows, the deeper you have to drive to stay depowered, and eventually you're very close to dead down wind, and a possible accidental jibe. Which is very hard to recover from quickly enough, if at all. At which point you're probably better off taking the main down, difficult as that is. Particularly if you have to round up to head into the wind.
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#238984 10/13/11 06:07 AM 10/13/11 06:07 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | If you're in survival mode (30 isn't survival mode) with the spinnaker down, easing the main all the way is detrimental. If you keep the traveler closer to center and sheeted tighter, you won't be presenting as much direct surface area to the wind and therefore will have less force trying to pitchpole the boat.
Yeah, that's my operating principle as well, although the harder it blows, the deeper you have to drive to stay depowered, and eventually you're very close to dead down wind, and a possible accidental jibe. Which is very hard to recover from quickly enough, if at all. At which point you're probably better off taking the main down, difficult as that is. Particularly if you have to round up to head into the wind.
Dave
I've spun out like that before too where the main caught air in a puff/shift and overpowered the rudders. The N20 pin head rudders don't have a whole lot of margin in that regard. If it surprise gybes on you when you have the sheet/traveler more centered, it will most definitely spin out and capsize.
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#238986 10/13/11 07:19 AM 10/13/11 07:19 AM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | so, the consensus seems to be that you're going to flip anyway, so pick the way that causes the least amount of damage/injury. I would presume a flip would be less injurous than a pitch pole..?
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#239000 10/13/11 09:25 AM 10/13/11 09:25 AM |
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Posts: 291 | I finally watched the video last night. One of the things that caught my eye is that the mast was rotated out quite a bit. With 10:1 downhauls and squaretop mains pulling the rotator all the way in is the way to depower, which is the exact opposite thing you would do on say a Hobie 18 pinhead main.
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#239003 10/13/11 09:41 AM 10/13/11 09:41 AM | MN3
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#239014 10/13/11 02:21 PM 10/13/11 02:21 PM |
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Posts: 733 Home is where the harness is..... | All the way or to the back beam bolts? Line that bad boy up as close to the boom as you can. Keeping the roatation close to the boom will also protect the mast by limiting the amount of swing and keeping the most rigid cross section lined up with the load. This will also, hopefully limit the whiping going on up there. Also consider the downhaul: Hammering it opens the leech and exposes more sail area while DDW. IMO, ease it enough to keep the leech semi closed, however you want to keep it on enough to take power out and support the mast. When it gets hairy and you have to go head-to, rememeber to ease the DH then as well. | | | Re: NACRA I20
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#239015 10/13/11 03:34 PM 10/13/11 03:34 PM |
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Posts: 465 FL | Have you ever seen a plane fly backwards? or stalled? Sailing stalled out (falling in an airplane) with managed projected area (twist or travel) is the key to reducing the excess of wind power you are experiencing. Every notice how slow it is when the crew oversheets the jib, he is depowering/STALLING the sails. Have you ever seen a plane fly backwards? Sailing stalled out with managed projected area is the key to reducing the excess of wind power you are experiencing.
I addition to getting your weight back, pull your main traveller (& jib) near the center of the boat with minimal twist(sheet in tight), steering ALMOST Dead Down Wind. The closer the mainsail is to the centerline the smaller the projected sail area to the wind reducing wind force and pitchpoling. This sail configuration puts the sail in a STALL, like an airplane falling through the air NEGATING lift.
For steering DDW try using the following (3)three indicators, that kind of 'check and balance' each other. First, the bow wind indicator. Second, pay attention to the feel on helm. You can maintain a very slight weather to neutral helm with the sails stalled out. If the helm goes a lee you WILL eventually jibe, so push the helm away from you to get back to neutral helm. If the weather helm helm increases pull the stick to get back/close to neutral helm. Finally, with the jib strapped in (stalled) watch which side the jib FAVORS, as it oscillates back and forth (how it behaves) out of the corner of your eye, and react accordingly. This is useful when it is raining so hard you can not see the bridal fly.
Looking behind you, often helps, as you can sheet in before the puff (dark water) hits you. Its fun watching the other boats go over next to you, as they let OUT their sails.
With the sails stalled the effective shape looks like a big fat wedge whose lee side isn't bending the wind near as much as you'd like, so the lift (component of the force at right angles to the apparent wind) is much less and the drag (component of the force parallel to the apparent wind) is excessive. The combination of the two is smaller and points aft, robbing the boat of the drive.
The above has kept me upright in registered 40kn wind in the "Round the Island" Florida race on a H20.
************************************** So downwind try sheeting in the jib in the puffs to stall out. To depower more travel in the main to reduce projected sail. To depower more and stall out reduce twist(sheet in) and enter the 'Stalled Out Zone'. (CAUTION sailing stalled in winds under 20nt is SLOW) **************************************
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Posts: 774 Greenville SC | I finally watched the video last night. One of the things that caught my eye is that the mast was rotated out quite a bit. With 10:1 downhauls and squaretop mains pulling the rotator all the way in is the way to depower, which is the exact opposite thing you would do on say a Hobie 18 pinhead main. Thanks, That clears up some of the confusion I had with the strategies of the rotator on my N20 vs my previous Hobie 18. | | | Re: NACRA I20
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#239033 10/14/11 09:18 AM 10/14/11 09:18 AM |
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Posts: 2,844 42.904444 N; 88.008586 W | Have you ever seen a plane fly backwards? or stalled? Sailing stalled out (falling in an airplane) with managed projected area (twist or travel) is the key to reducing the excess of wind power you are experiencing. Every notice how slow it is when the crew oversheets the jib, he is depowering/STALLING the sails. Have you ever seen a plane fly backwards? Sailing stalled out with managed projected area is the key to reducing the excess of wind power you are experiencing.
I addition to getting your weight back, pull your main traveller (& jib) near the center of the boat with minimal twist(sheet in tight), steering ALMOST Dead Down Wind. The closer the mainsail is to the centerline the smaller the projected sail area to the wind reducing wind force and pitchpoling. This sail configuration puts the sail in a STALL, like an airplane falling through the air NEGATING lift.
For steering DDW try using the following (3)three indicators, that kind of 'check and balance' each other. First, the bow wind indicator. Second, pay attention to the feel on helm. You can maintain a very slight weather to neutral helm with the sails stalled out. If the helm goes a lee you WILL eventually jibe, so push the helm away from you to get back to neutral helm. If the weather helm helm increases pull the stick to get back/close to neutral helm. Finally, with the jib strapped in (stalled) watch which side the jib FAVORS, as it oscillates back and forth (how it behaves) out of the corner of your eye, and react accordingly. This is useful when it is raining so hard you can not see the bridal fly.
Looking behind you, often helps, as you can sheet in before the puff (dark water) hits you. Its fun watching the other boats go over next to you, as they let OUT their sails.
With the sails stalled the effective shape looks like a big fat wedge whose lee side isn't bending the wind near as much as you'd like, so the lift (component of the force at right angles to the apparent wind) is much less and the drag (component of the force parallel to the apparent wind) is excessive. The combination of the two is smaller and points aft, robbing the boat of the drive.
The above has kept me upright in registered 40kn wind in the "Round the Island" Florida race on a H20.
************************************** So downwind try sheeting in the jib in the puffs to stall out. To depower more travel in the main to reduce projected sail. To depower more and stall out reduce twist(sheet in) and enter the 'Stalled Out Zone'. (CAUTION sailing stalled in winds under 20nt is SLOW) ************************************** The more nulear it gets, I totally agree with this post. IMHO
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