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#247165 04/18/12 05:07 PM 04/18/12 05:07 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California John Williams
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Posts: 3,293 Long Beach, California | Kris, as a courtesy should you not find a ride for the event, I would be happy to host you at my home and make sure you're on the VIP spectator boat. My way of building goodwill between the F18 and F16 classes.
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[Re: Kris Hathaway]
#247171 04/18/12 07:27 PM 04/18/12 07:27 PM |
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Posts: 115 | Kris
We are in a transition phase, but you need to separate politics and racing in the F18.
The US F18 fleet is doing a great job with a growing fleet, from the south we already have crews attending past NAs. And now expect several more from other countries too, we are building a great continental fleet and LA Worlds will be a milestone event for the class.
As the guys are saying, just get on any F18 and race with us, let the (sometimes) necessary bs to others, the 99% of the F18 sailors just focus on racing and having fun.
On the political bs some of us need to get involved, and when generations change, you have some normal process with occasional fights. Some like me go 'kamikaze' and others work in the background, but all aiming to get more sailors onboard beyond whichever opposite position we may have.
The class is growing fast world wide beyond any paint discussion. So forget about it as a factor for joining. Get on board, chances are that many F18 sailors will start sailing F16 too in the future due to Olympics?
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#247195 04/19/12 06:14 AM 04/19/12 06:14 AM |
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Posts: 1,152 tampa, fl | Every time you click on this thread, god kills a kitten. Kitten.....the other white meat!
If your havin girl problems i feel bad for you son I got 99 problems but my beautiful wife ain't one | | | Re: Rules changes
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#247203 04/19/12 08:30 AM 04/19/12 08:30 AM |
Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 606 Maryland Kris Hathaway
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Posts: 606 Maryland | Very generous offers (except for the kitten pate) and thank you all. Hopefully by this time next month, I'll know if my transfer is approved and I'll be able to set my calendar and budget for the rest of the season.
I am very aware of the politics vs the sailing. It happens in all fleets, classes, yatch clubs, and even national and global authorities.
BTW, have to share that my first new modern beach cat was a Nacra F18 (2003).
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#247250 04/20/12 01:37 AM 04/20/12 01:37 AM |
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Posts: 108 | I may be incorrect because of a language gap but it sounds like Franck is saying that the NCA's vote does NOT automatically make paint legal. Further, I intrepret Franck's response is that paint has been deemed illegal and until there is a formal petition/proposal that includes an extended waiting/phase-in time if approved, paint continues to be illegal.
Kris ....considering an F18 Very correct Kris, sorry for the language gap. The vote was only a poll: "do we wish... ?", no rule have been changed . | | | Re: Rules changes
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#247269 04/20/12 10:44 AM 04/20/12 10:44 AM |
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[Re: macca]
#247301 04/21/12 06:03 AM 04/21/12 06:03 AM |
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Posts: 108 | Franck, The class president has asked the NCA's a question and they have responded. The results are clear.
The voting process is more in line with the class constitution than the last World council meeting that had decisions made without many NCA's being offered the chance to vote.
This time all NCA's have been consulted and the results are as I posted. Andrew, your presentation of the facts is now correct enough, thanks for the change. Your commentary about class constitution, is no more than a commentary under your responsability. The facts shows you were wrong about the class, there is no fight except the one you're leading for your business. And for the moment everyone (may you have it already) is waiting for a proposal which has to be voted and then on year delay notice to be in application. oooops I've just seen a dead kitten. Stop that please, it's awful | | | Re: Rules changes
[Re: Kris Hathaway]
#247453 04/25/12 01:27 PM 04/25/12 01:27 PM |
Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL waterbug_wpb
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Very generous offers (except for the kitten ) what, you have something against chinese food?
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#255665 12/11/12 11:46 AM 12/11/12 11:46 AM |
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You haven't answered the question Franck.
- Please prove to me there is a performance advantage in painted vs gelcoated hulls.
Hi, never too late, Alex U. said that (proving enough ??) recently on a commercial website: "- And the famous paint... The gelcoat doesn´t makes the boat stronger, is dead weight, so we decided to use paint and reinforce the laminate schedule giving us a better use of the class rules in the benefit of the final sailor that will receive a more stiffer and stronger boat." | | | Re: Rules changes
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#255782 12/18/12 01:29 PM 12/18/12 01:29 PM |
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Posts: 108 | Hi Macca, hope your fine with GC32, see you move outside F18. That's great. For information during 2011 december world council 74% of people vote for clarification and against paint and your interpretation, then your failed ISAF action which confirmed no paint for F18. Surprise, the F18 chairman decide then to accept paint. Not very democratic, but let's go for it. Obviously there will be a restricted list, that is the vote I did last week in France. By the way, how we can check the kind of paint, I don't know ? Next year you can try to sell F18 with foil. That's your work. May be my team will sail ont it But I think it is funny to point out contradictions. Have fun.
PS: I'm not sure that paint (or curved daggerboard) is good for F18, and F18 business. Will see the figure of 2012 very soon I guess.
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