| I broke my Battlestick #246868 04/10/12 12:12 PM 04/10/12 12:12 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram OP
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | I need to repair my Battlestick, what's the best way to do this? I was thinking about buying a roll of 1 inch Carbon Fiber Tape and some kind of jig to keep the stick straight. Is there a better way to do this repair?
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#246875 04/10/12 01:14 PM 04/10/12 01:14 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | I need to repair my Battlestick, what's the best way to do this? Step (1) give me your boat Step (2) never speak of this again
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#246880 04/10/12 02:15 PM 04/10/12 02:15 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | I need to repair my Battlestick, what's the best way to do this? I was thinking about buying a roll of 1 inch Carbon Fiber Tape and some kind of jig to keep the stick straight. Is there a better way to do this repair? You need at least 2" tape...probably 3". You can also cut some fabric from a roll. I've fixed several of these...I've fixed them without the jig before by temporarily epoxying the ends together and letting that cure on flat ground before starting the reinforcement repair. The jig I have has two pieces of angle iron aligned and bolted to the upper ends of a "U" shaped piece of plywood. The angle iron extend past the wood uprights so I can place two winds of tape on each broken piece to attach them firmly to the angle iron. Once one of these are done, you can do the following: Before doing anything, rough sand the outside areas where the repair carbon will wrap with 80 or 100 grit. Lay some poly plastic on a flat surface large enough to support the entire stick (obviously, the plastic only needs to be under the repair). If you can lay it out in the sun, you will get a faster cure. Make 3 to 4 wraps around the tubing with epoxy wetted carbon (tape or cut fabric) ... more is fine, you can sand them away. Start above the repair and start wrapping electrical tape around the stick over the repair into the clean area below the repair and back up again. You should have two wraps of tape around the stick - get it tight! With a sharpened nail, poke holes through the tape into the carbon...it will now bleed out excess epoxy and compress the carbon fibers - and stabilize the joint (I have done this without any thing aligning the two pieces before with good result). You can wrap it with a paper towel if you are worried about epoxy getting up or down the stick. Lay it on the ground on the poly. If you didn't previously stabilize the joint, roll the stick back and forth on the ground making slight alignment adjustments until it's roll shows that it is straight and true. Let it cure. Unwrap tape (removes very cleanly once the epoxy is cured). Sand to 180 grit to clean up tape marks. Shoot some Krylon clear enamel on it...and now you have a repair that is also a decorative feature.
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Posts: 1,246 Orlando, FL | Are you assuming the BattleStick is straight? (ie before the repair)
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#246891 04/10/12 09:25 PM 04/10/12 09:25 PM |
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | That is exactly the been there done that I was looking for, thank you Jake.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#246908 04/11/12 08:11 AM 04/11/12 08:11 AM |
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Posts: 172 Anacortes | Good explanation. I would add that peelply is quite inexpensive and would be a good substitute for your perforated electrical tape, and meant for the function you describe. But, the etape solution sounds like it works fine.
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Good explanation. I would add that peelply is quite inexpensive and would be a good substitute for your perforated electrical tape, and meant for the function you describe. But, the etape solution sounds like it works fine. how do you get the peel-ply to compress the wetted out carbon? The electrical tape will stick to itself and leave a good bit of compression on the repair resulting in minimal sanding for a smoothish finish. It will still have a bulge where the repair is - but it's in one piece and a whole lot cheaper than a new stick.
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#246927 04/11/12 08:49 PM 04/11/12 08:49 PM |
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Posts: 190 | ... how do you get the peel-ply to compress the wetted out carbon? ...
Cut it in 2" to 2.5" wide strip and lock the end by wrapping it around the tube then stretch it to an angle where-as each wrap covers the previous one by 1/2. Start the wrap the same direction the carbon was wrapped or it will bunch the carbon with a wrinkle. Cut the peal-ply Long enough to cover your repair + a few inches on each side. Use tape to Lock the bitter end. ==================================================== Everything Ya said in your first post is what i would do EXCEPT The wrap with the carbon --- cut that carbon so the fibers align (+ - 45deg) with the orientation of your part. This gives TWICE as many fibers crossing the break. The only way to do better would be to use (Stitched Carbon Fabric) Ya get about a 30% increase in strength by NOT weaving a fiber of Any type that's used in composites.
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#246942 04/12/12 10:00 AM 04/12/12 10:00 AM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA David Ingram OP
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | You're the second person that has told me a sleeve is required. I don't have any spare tube so do you have any clever ideas on how to fabricate one with something that may be lying around the house or could be had at the local hardware store?
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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#246946 04/12/12 01:29 PM 04/12/12 01:29 PM |
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Posts: 3,224 Roanoke Island ,N.C. | You're the second person that has told me a sleeve is required. I don't have any spare tube so do you have any clever ideas on how to fabricate one with something that may be lying around the house or could be had at the local hardware store? Ding, Check at your local golf pro shop for broken carbon shafts.(Do I know you or what?)You can finally mix your hobbies.
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#246948 04/12/12 02:29 PM 04/12/12 02:29 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | You're the second person that has told me a sleeve is required. I don't have any spare tube so do you have any clever ideas on how to fabricate one with something that may be lying around the house or could be had at the local hardware store? You don't need a sleeve if you can live with the repair being a larger diameter than the tube. If you plan on sanding the repair away to make the tube the same consistent diameter...then you need a sleeve. My method makes the sleeve external around the fracture.
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Posts: 3,906 Clermont, FL, USA | Thank you everyone, I ordered the carbon fiber tape today, that stuff aint cheap.
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Ding, Check at your local golf pro shop for broken carbon shafts.(Do I know you or what?)You can finally mix your hobbies.
I was going to use an old fishing pole but then I got the call (it's almost like he knows) which by the way he used a very "shut up and listen" tone. As much as I seem to find the bottom it will be good to learn how to work with the black nasty.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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Ding, Check at your local golf pro shop for broken carbon shafts.(Do I know you or what?)You can finally mix your hobbies.
I was going to use an old fishing pole but then I got the call (it's almost like he knows) which by the way he used a very "shut up and listen" tone. As much as I seem to find the bottom it will be good to learn how to work with the black nasty. Saved by the Carbon wonder boy?
"I said, now, I said ,pay attention boy!"
The cure for anything is salt water - sweat, tears, or the sea Isak Dinesen If a man is to be obsessed by something.... I suppose a boat is as good as anything... perhaps a bit better than most. E. B. White
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Posts: 4,119 Northfield Mn | Thank you everyone, I ordered the carbon fiber tape today, that stuff aint cheap. No kidding. I want to buy some cloth for a little project, and its ridiculous. More so when I'm going to be throwing away a bunch of it.
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#246960 04/13/12 07:30 AM 04/13/12 07:30 AM |
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Posts: 932 Solomon's Island, MD | Where are ya'll ordering your supplies from? Fiber Glast is one of the most expensive sources for fiberglass or carbon cloth. CST may be the only supplier to top them. Solar Composites generally has the best pricing on carbon cloth stateside. ACP has good pricing on sleeves: http://www.acpsales.com/Tapes-and-Sleeves-c-4957.htmlTape can be made from sheets of 5.7oz carbon, I do it all the time. Sleeves are much better for tube type repairs, simply because they are easier to work with. I've repaired 3 hockey sticks and a myriad of broken carbon tubes in the past few weeks and most all were a 30 minute job with the sleeve, and all came out stronger than the original tube. On this, I will suggest you use super glue (thin CA) to bond the stick back into shape. Epoxy would do OK but CA dries instantly so if you can get a second person to apply the glue while you hold the joint in place it will work perfectly (CA is near as strong as epoxy but more brittle in this application). Then scuff the surface with 150 grit paper and apply the sleeve or tape wrap with epoxy. Use Jake's and/or Bille's suggestions above for wrapping with peel ply to get a good finish. Clear tape can be substituted for peel ply in a pinch but is likely to stick to the mess when you are done.
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