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Orlando, FL | Well Florida, fortunately, has an excellent NACRA rep. I've never heard a bad word about him. I think and hope he'll sell a lot of F16s.
Who's the rep for Florida?
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Northfield Mn | And you or anyone else on this forum has never misstated something. It's only important to you guys, the rest of the world doesn't give a rat's butt ,probably including Pete M. So the the F-16 allows carbon masts ,stop the presses and let's lynch the best multihull designer in the US because he misstated that world changing fact. The F-16 class would be huge if it wasn't for a handful of you guys. I'm surprised you all haven't brought up slander charges. OOOOHHHHH the humanity. GET A F*CKING GRIP! You got free press by the designer of the new Olympic boat. Any press is good press. JESUS! Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning? There is a slight difference between the pack of idiots who post on this board, (myself included in that), and somebody who's in the biz, and making a presentation. He should be up on things, but its still not that big of a deal in my book. F*ck people, its sailing. Not a cure for child leukemia. Settle down.
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Roanoke Island ,N.C. | And you or anyone else on this forum has never misstated something. It's only important to you guys, the rest of the world doesn't give a rat's butt ,probably including Pete M. So the the F-16 allows carbon masts ,stop the presses and let's lynch the best multihull designer in the US because he misstated that world changing fact. The F-16 class would be huge if it wasn't for a handful of you guys. I'm surprised you all haven't brought up slander charges. OOOOHHHHH the humanity. GET A F*CKING GRIP! You got free press by the designer of the new Olympic boat. Any press is good press. JESUS! Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning? There is a slight difference between the pack of idiots who post on this board, (myself included in that), and somebody who's in the biz, and making a presentation. He should be up on things, but its still not that big of a deal in my book. F*ck people, its sailing. Not a cure for child leukemia. Settle down. My point exactly, so your pisser must have been the same as mine. Booger.
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Palm Harbor, FL | Okay guys, there may be a lot of pissing in the Wheaties going on around here, but for my own part... when someone who designed an F16 seems to not know the class rules regarding the boat, I have to wonder if the his boat was optimally designed.
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Roanoke Island ,N.C. | Okay guys, there may be a lot of pissing in the Wheaties going on around here, but for my own part... when someone who designed an F16 seems to not know the class rules regarding the boat, I have to wonder if the his boat was optimally designed. How exactly would you change the hull design to use a carbon mast vs. an aluminum one? Pete Melvin is not the builder he designed the hulls.
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Palm Harbor, FL | How exactly would you change the hull design to use a carbon mast vs. an aluminum one? Pete Melvin is not the builder he designed the hulls. Hmmm... I'm not a boat designer so I'm not sure what the answer may be. Are you saying that the design of the rig (including its weight,) has no effect on the hull design whatsoever? I defer to your greater knowledge on the subject (unless you start saying things that are obviously incorrect like "an F16s mast can't be more than 7m long," or "it can't be made out of carbon.") That said, if someone tells me that the mast tip weight requirement makes building out of carbon fibre pointless, maybe Mr. Melvin's comment is defensible?
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That said, if someone tells me that the mast tip weight requirement makes building out of carbon fibre pointless, maybe Mr. Melvin's comment is defensible?
No, that would be wrong as well. It would however make the carbon mast durable. Didn't Matt fly a carbon mast in that video of his crash on a sandbar ? Same situation as with "the trials" but different end result ? Besides carbon mast bend can be tailored to a wide range of desires and that to may be a benefit making things worthwhile. Well, maybe not so much for amateur sailors but certainly for Olympic level crews.
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The best thing you can do to form future Olympians is just buying those F16.
This is clear to me, plus the F16 is the right boat for our type of sailing. My point is: it would be easier to convince people (especially those with no Olympic dreams) to renew the fleet exclusively with Vipers if it had gained Olympic status. It would clearly be the perfect/obvious choice. It's a marketing constraint, not a technical one.
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The best thing you can do to form future Olympians is just buying those F16.
This is clear to me, plus the F16 is the right boat for our type of sailing. My point is: it would be easier to convince people (especially those with no Olympic dreams) to renew the fleet exclusively with Vipers if it had gained Olympic status. It would clearly be the perfect/obvious choice. It's a marketing constraint, not a technical one. As many have reported... for those on a campaign.. the cost of the boat is incidental. The South American and Pacific Rim countries are now faced with getting teams in three unique boats. (a 29ner platform is not a 49ner platform. A Viper/F16 is not a N17 and a windsurfer board is not a Kite). This is just a lost opportunity for growing the sport.
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The best thing you can do to form future Olympians is just buying those F16.
This is clear to me, plus the F16 is the right boat for our type of sailing. My point is: it would be easier to convince people (especially those with no Olympic dreams) to renew the fleet exclusively with Vipers if it had gained Olympic status. It would clearly be the perfect/obvious choice. It's a marketing constraint, not a technical one. true.
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