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#25047 10/13/03 10:29 AM 10/13/03 10:29 AM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | We haven't heard from Mike Worrell, and it is hard for me to imagine the race being run again by him.
However, that wonderful coastline is still there. Mike Worrell doesn't own it, he didn't create it. He gets the credit for being the one who recognized the potential of that coastline for a race like this and for making the race happen for many years. The Worrell 1000 was one of the best things that has happened for catamarans. It would never have happened without Michael Worrell.
But if he is not going to be doing the race any more, I figure it's up for grabs. Will somebody else pick up this fumbled ball and run with it? (Sorry, I'm forced to watch way too much football this time of the year.)
Anyway, it would be interesting to ask everybody: If YOU were in charge of this race, how would you do it, and what types of boat(s) would you allow, and what would the entry fee be and what would it include, etc., etc., etc....?"
I know that lots of past Worrell 1000 sailors have their own ideas about how they would like to see the race run.
The problem is that nobody wants to step up and take the responsibility and the work of doing it.
Actually, I think there are a lot of older sailors who would be able to get together to put on the "1000," because they no longer want to actually be out there on the water.
Tad, I know you are curious, and concerned, because you are one of the young people who were hoping to someday race in it.
It is ironic that I am rooting for the "1000", under whatever name, to continue, since I have always been so opposed to the danger factors. But on the other hand, I think it is important for sailors to have goals to shoot for. Participating in and surviving the Worrell 1000 was the biggest goal we had. | | | Re: Worrell in 2004?
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#25048 10/13/03 03:56 PM 10/13/03 03:56 PM |
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Posts: 591 Bradenton, FL | If I ran the "1000"... I'd make it an open production-class event for boats 20-18'. Let the catamaran producers supply their boats and pit them against the rest to see who really makes the fastest-yet-still-durable cat on the market.
I'd want to see some Tornados with Olypic-class sailors competing against the latest-and-greatest.
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#25049 10/13/03 04:04 PM 10/13/03 04:04 PM |
Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,310 South Carolina Jake
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Would your scoring be 'the first one to Virgina Beach'? or would you handicap?
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#25050 10/13/03 04:44 PM 10/13/03 04:44 PM |
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Posts: 248 Colorado | The (insert name here) 1000 is "The Race" for beach catamarans. It should be a no-holds-barred cat fight unrestricted to one brand or model of boat. By opening the event it creates a proving ground and test track for the newest products and sailing techniques in the toughest conditions. Spinakers, large headsails, new sail shapes and countless durability improvements found their way to the mainstream (or were discarded as ineffective) by way of The 1000. Forget offering a huge purse. Most competitors won't line up for the money, but will flock to the beach for an adventure. In addition, manufacturers should be thrilled to pony up some bucks to sponsor a race that tests their products to the limit. What better advertising than finishing the Worrell in one piece - or better still: Winning. The 1000 isn't dead, it's just sleeping until a sailing junkie with business skills steps up and plants the kiss that wakes this beauty.
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#25055 10/13/03 06:59 PM 10/13/03 06:59 PM |
Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... Mary
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Posts: 5,558 Key Largo, FL & Put-in-Bay, OH... | [/i]If I ran the "1000"...[/i] I'd make it an open production-class event for boats 20-18'. Let the catamaran producers supply their boats and pit them against the rest to see who really makes the fastest-yet-still-durable cat on the market. Why do you think manufacturers should supply boats? | | | Re: Worrell in 2004?
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#25056 10/13/03 08:18 PM 10/13/03 08:18 PM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Here you go: how about both...The current Tybee structure (Production 20's, F18, F18ht) but add an open class that's an all out "build it and go" philosophy but with a few rules (like length). But then you have to figure how to prevent the nutjob who slaps a 50' mast on a 22' boat that will never survive offshore.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: Worrell in 2004?
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#25058 10/14/03 09:31 AM 10/14/03 09:31 AM |
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Posts: 695 Ft. Pierce, Fl. USA | The manufactures would probably be reluctant to take the risk…A manufacturer can brag all they want about how well their boat is constructed and use their marketing machine to sell the product. But…when you put your reputation on the line in a race like the 1000 in head to head with your competitor’s, two nasty things can happen. 1) You can have the strongest boat out there and get picked off in big shore break by a freak set, or human error. The only thing most people will hear is of the winner…and will assume that it must be the strongest/fastest boat. Yours may be stronger, lighter, have a racing life of three times that of your competition, but if you don’t finish the race because of breakdown, you will be fighting an up hill battle trying to sell your boat on the feature of superior construction. 2) If you are a manufacturer and know your boat is not up to the challenge, the last thing you want is to see pictures of your boat breaking up on National TV/Magazines/Internet Sites, while your competition goes merrily along.
By keeping it one design recently, they have avoided many of these embarrassments. If all boats are of the same size, make and model, when one breaks up it is attributed to the rough conditions, not always the boat itself. A quarter of the fleet could go down and the chosen boat would still take on the mystique of having been a Worrell's 1000 boat.
It would seem that there is just not enough incentive for a manufacture to take that high a risk for so small a potential profit.
It would be nice to see the race open up and breath a little more, open it up to any catamaran 20 feet and under, no beam limit, no sail limit…Let the Atlantic be the rule maker… this could (once again) be the developmental proving ground for new ideas and innovation.
Have TV crews follow the teams in a kind of Eco-challenge format...with all the adventure/reality showes on TV lately it would probably draw a huge audience. By the end of the week catamaran sales could go up 10 fold...I can't believe no one thought of this before????? Now that could get the manufactures attention!
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#25060 10/14/03 10:30 AM 10/14/03 10:30 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Those wireless things don't have much range and keeping up with a spread out fleet of mics and cameras would be nearly impossible. Besides, short of watching someone try to eat a sandwich while on the trapeze there's not a lot of viewer realizable drama happening in distance racing. To someone who doesn't know or care about the very technical details, it's just a bunch of straight line sailing.
The 'general public style' drama happens getting on and off the beach, the quick racing immediately after launching, and the preparations / strategy planning beforehand.
Jake Kohl | | | Re: Worrell in 2004?
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#25061 10/14/03 11:08 AM 10/14/03 11:08 AM |
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Posts: 612 Cape Town, South Africa | "Would your scoring be 'the first one to Virgina Beach'? or would you handicap? "
How about F16, F18 & F20 : 3 classes, a winner in each class. Bring your own boat, keep the entry fee realistic. Most guys just want to do the race, never mind win it. The heroes will all sail F20 for line honours, the rest will be there for the experience (Oh, I forgot - Mike Worrell made it clear in a reply e-mail to me that this race was only for the Superheroes, normal sailors need not apply.) But then, If he`s not involved, it may just be a good thing for us mere mortals.
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#25062 10/14/03 11:11 AM 10/14/03 11:11 AM |
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Posts: 591 Bradenton, FL | Why would I want the manufacturers to provide the boats?
#1- To make it possible for the "average joe" to afford to race in the Worrell 1000 competatively. Not everyone can afford to take their $10k toy and push it past it's limits through the worst the Atlantic can dish out.
#2- to get a boat with a known build-quality. Say there are a dozen boats competing, and four manufacturers ponied up three boats each. Certain boats will be more prone to certain problems- in both sailing ability per the conditions, and construction quality/ruggedness -than others. If one manufacture's boats all had their daggerboard trunks rip out and their rudders sheer off, while the rest of the fleet suffered less damages, chances are there is a design flaw in that boat.
#3- I'm not saying only allow new boats from manufacturers. If someone has the money and desire to race their personal toy against the other boats, then by all means let them! I just wouldn't want one-off $50k customs competing in the race and turning it into a "who's got deeper pockets" event.
Then again... with no cash purse -only bragging rights to claim when it's all over- if someone wanted to flog a $50k one-off to see if it was any better than the production boats of the day... I sure wouldn't stop them!
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#25064 10/15/03 09:41 AM 10/15/03 09:41 AM |
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Posts: 12,310 South Carolina | Sure - but who's footing the bill for the gas and salary for the five or six power boats following each of the teams equiped with wireless equipment 6 to 16 hours a day to try and capture the 5 seconds of excitement that may or may not happen? Who's driving the boats and who's training them to stay out of the way of the sailors? Most of the good stuff would be lost anyway because unless it's a huge power boat, they're not going to go out in half the stuff we enjoy anyway! The odds are not good on capturing the excitement offshore.
However, you bring up a good point through the surf. That would be easier to capture wirelessly since everyone is congregated. With just the before launch, launch, and arrival I'm sure there's enough good stuff happening for 20 to 30 minutes of TV worthy stuff per leg. Don't get me wrong - I'm all for getting some on TV coverage for a race like the Worrell or Tybee.
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#25065 10/17/03 02:16 PM 10/17/03 02:16 PM |
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Posts: 5,590 Naples, FL | Jake and others,
We're (well, several other drunks from the dark fleet) working on cheap (relatively) systems to obtain volumes of footage to edit into something that might actually be viewable by the non-sailing crowds. Using bullet cams (about $150) and old video recorders, we got around the transmission stuff, but take on about 2.5 kilos extra weight.
Should be experimenting more at Hiram's Haul if I can make the camcorder more waterproof (they have a Sony Watchman that would work - but I'm not going to drop $800 on this just yet).
And yes, 2 hours of the back of my crew's head (or the jib telltales) isn't what I would call "Must see TV". But a few minutes of close calls, crash tacks, flips, and other stuff might make a video highlight format work. And I've opted not to take a microphone, because we all know how prolific Team Aqua Assault's use of "colorful metaphores" can be... 30 minutes of censor beeps would probably drive viewers away...
Obviously, it is looking like closely fought bouy races would provide more action (or at least more items on the viewer) and more opportunities to place fixed cameras (bouys, RC boat, etc.) cheaply.
If we can get the weight down, fixed and helmet cams would work best, but we're taking baby steps along the lines of the America's Cup coverage.
With Alex's GPS tracker in the old W-1000 on the TB boat, and a few helmet cams, we could do something (much smaller scale, of course) akin to the AC with the computer graphics and on-board action, but again - it would only end up about 30 minutes of useable footage for that race....
Your thoughts?
Jay
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