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Hillsborough, NC USA | Yes. S obtained overlap with P2 from clear astern within two boatlengths, so S may not sail above her proper course (RRS 17). In this case, her proper course at the windward mark would be to bear away or gybe.
I improved the text and added rules 15, 16, and 17 to the applicable rules.
Thanks,
Eric
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Albenarle NC | Is S required to hold course after hailing starboard?
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Palm Harbor, FL | Is S required to hold course after halting starboard ? My guess is no. 16.1 says that if S changes course she must give P1 room to keep clear. That implies that S can change course. This is different than the "rules of the road" where rule 17 explicitly requires the stand-on vessel to keep her course and speed (unless actively maneuvering to avoid collision.)
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Hillsborough, NC USA Isotope235 OP
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Hillsborough, NC USA | Is S required to hold course after hailing starboard?
No, but if the right-of-way boat changes course, she must give the other boat room to keep clear. See rule 16.1. Also, if a starboard-tack boat bears away toward a port-tack boat after the starting signal, she must not force the port-tack boat to immediately change course in order to keep clear. See rule 16.2. The hail "hold your course" really just means "I'm aware of you". | | | Re: Tacking in the Zone
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada | I often feel challenged when bearing away/setting the spin after rounding the windward mark and am looking at a variety of boats on/near the port layline. There is no offset mark, so their layline tends to run fairly close to my intended course.
These boats aren't taking my stern. They are trying go by within inches of my sides in a potential head on scenario. As I steer lower, they tend to steer lower which doesn't help alot. Because of mark fixation, they don't want to tack away. I fear the puff that causes me to bear down hard when they are several boat lengths ahead and only a foot to leeward.
I talk to people about it, but haven't been able to convert the world.
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Clermont, FL, USA | I often feel challenged when bearing away/setting the spin after rounding the windward mark and am looking at a variety of boats on/near the port layline. There is no offset mark, so their layline tends to run fairly close to my intended course.
These boats aren't taking my stern. They are trying go by within inches of my sides in a potential head on scenario. As I steer lower, they tend to steer lower which doesn't help alot. Because of mark fixation, they don't want to tack away. I fear the puff that causes me to bear down hard when they are several boat lengths ahead and only a foot to leeward.
I talk to people about it, but haven't been able to convert the world. And you never will. Suicide port is just too much of a tatical advantage. What you never want to hear from someone on suicide port is "I'm close hauled I have the right of way". Those are the people we need to find and correct. When an offset isn't used as starndard operating procedure it just leaves me scatching my head and to quit using it because people keep skipping it is just dumb. Ah that was refreshing.
David Ingram F18 USA 242 http://www.solarwind.solar"Do or do not. There is no try." - Yoda "Excuses are the tools of the weak and incompetent" - Two sista's I overheard in the hall "You don't have to be a brain surgeon to be a complete idiot, but it helps"
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