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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: waterbug_wpb] #255295
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Originally Posted by waterbug_wpb
I agree with you Caleb, but what if I was an old senile monohull dude who wanted to support whatever Olympic program was out there developing the teams to represent us? Should I just give to the USOC? Or would that also allocate my funds to the Curling team?

If the USOC is the primary means to get people to the Olympics, where would USS fit in that picture? Is it an adjunct organization for "the rest of us"?


To be clear, I may be the old Dude that gave to the USOC in the past, but I now advocate giving directly to the Teams working hard on making the USA Olympic Multihull Team, such as Newberry/Casey
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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: samc99us] #255296
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Fabulous solution.... I agree! ... BUT... It hasn't ever happened in the USA anywhere that I know of ...... so... my advice don't hold your breath.... or count on this happening.

For instance... AYC would not accept your 6 boats if you gave them to the club... they are land locked.

So.. you need a different approach...
I agree completely that you need a cohort of juniors that are doing the program.

What other program would be possible?


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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: Mark Schneider] #255298
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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: H17cat] #255299
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Teams just selected. http://americanyouthsailingforce.com/

Three of the sailors are from Seattle. Matt Pistay is actually from Seattle, and his mother Andi, serves on the Board at Sail Sand Point.

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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: Mark Schneider] #255302
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I think its a shame there are no females in either US teams, especially with the Olympic Multihull being mixed now.

Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: Tony_F18] #255306
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Originally Posted by Tony_F18
I think its a shame there are no females in either US teams, especially with the Olympic Multihull being mixed now.


It's mixed now but will it be next cycle? Will there even be Olympic sailing after this cycle?

Boards are out kites in, now kites out boards in. How does anyone plan anything when there's no stability. No, trying to plan the future is not possible or realistic.

One thing that bugs me is about how teams are selected by this country is having it come down to one regatta. Shouldn't the most consistent team over a series of regattas get chosen?


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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: brucat] #255309
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Originally Posted by brucat


but I'm sure if you called and made that a condition of your donation, they wouldn't turn you away.



Mike


And I think this alludes to Pete's concern voiced earlier.... where would I be able to SEE that my donation goes to the sailing discipline of choice.

Or should I not be so selfish and spread my money to Laser Radial and Boardsailing?

Speaking of donating directly, did JC/Sara set up any 501(c)(3) or anything? I haven't checked their web recently...


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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: catman] #255312
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Originally Posted by catman

One thing that bugs me is about how teams are selected by this country is having it come down to one regatta. Shouldn't the most consistent team over a series of regattas get chosen?


I share your concern, Mike. I thought it would be some sort of series or elimination ladder to select the most proficient, and consistent, team.

Seeing that I've won or placed well in a few events through a variety of circumstances - some for reasons other than my stunning good looks and witty banter- I don't think that necessarily makes me "the best sailor".

In fact, the very unpredictability of my race results would highlight that notion.

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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: Mark Schneider] #255314
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The team is not selected at one event anymore. For the 2012 games, the trials was composed of the combined results from the 2011 Sail for Gold Regatta and the 2011 ISAF World Championships.


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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: Mark Schneider] #255316
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Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Sam
Fabulous solution.... I agree! ... BUT... It hasn't ever happened in the USA anywhere that I know of ...... so... my advice don't hold your breath.... or count on this happening.

For instance... AYC would not accept your 6 boats if you gave them to the club... they are land locked.

So.. you need a different approach...
I agree completely that you need a cohort of juniors that are doing the program.

What other program would be possible?


It is happening somewhere, the Sarasota Sailing Squadron down in Florida. The club doesn't own the boats but the local F16/F18 fleet that uses the club as their base of operations has been generous enough to loan the platforms to star 420 skippers/crews during the week for practices and in some cases weekend events. The practices were/are run by the same coach in charge of high school sailing practice. This would be possible in our area if the club agreed, an experienced multihull sailor was the coach, and enough multihull sailors offered their boats as training platforms.

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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: samc99us] #255320
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Originally Posted by samc99us
Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Sam
Fabulous solution.... I agree! ... BUT... It hasn't ever happened in the USA anywhere that I know of ...... so... my advice don't hold your breath.... or count on this happening.

For instance... AYC would not accept your 6 boats if you gave them to the club... they are land locked.

So.. you need a different approach...
I agree completely that you need a cohort of juniors that are doing the program.

What other program would be possible?


It is happening somewhere, the Sarasota Sailing Squadron down in Florida. The club doesn't own the boats but the local F16/F18 fleet that uses the club as their base of operations has been generous enough to loan the platforms to star 420 skippers/crews during the week for practices and in some cases weekend events. The practices were/are run by the same coach in charge of high school sailing practice. This would be possible in our area if the club agreed, an experienced multihull sailor was the coach, and enough multihull sailors offered their boats as training platforms.


Not entirely true. Sarasota Youth Sailing owns 3 (at least) boats....1 F-18 (there may be another) and 2 F-16's.

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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: Mark Schneider] #255321
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Thanks for filling in the details. Point is it can work!!


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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: ksurfer2] #255323
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Originally Posted by ksurfer2
Originally Posted by samc99us
Originally Posted by Mark Schneider
Sam
Fabulous solution.... I agree! ... BUT... It hasn't ever happened in the USA anywhere that I know of ...... so... my advice don't hold your breath.... or count on this happening.

For instance... AYC would not accept your 6 boats if you gave them to the club... they are land locked.

So.. you need a different approach...
I agree completely that you need a cohort of juniors that are doing the program.

What other program would be possible?


It is happening somewhere, the Sarasota Sailing Squadron down in Florida. The club doesn't own the boats but the local F16/F18 fleet that uses the club as their base of operations has been generous enough to loan the platforms to star 420 skippers/crews during the week for practices and in some cases weekend events. The practices were/are run by the same coach in charge of high school sailing practice. This would be possible in our area if the club agreed, an experienced multihull sailor was the coach, and enough multihull sailors offered their boats as training platforms.


Not entirely true. Sarasota Youth Sailing owns 3 (at least) boats....1 F-18 (there may be another) and 2 F-16's.


....and they are churning out some EXTREMELY talented young multihull sailors!!!!!


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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: ksurfer2] #255327
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It is happening somewhere, the Sarasota Sailing Squadron down in Florida. The club doesn't own the boats but the local F16/F18 fleet that uses the club as their base of operations has been generous enough to loan the platforms to star 420 skippers/crews during the week for practices and in some cases weekend events. The practices were/are run by the same coach in charge of high school sailing practice. This would be possible in our area if the club agreed, an experienced multihull sailor was the coach, and enough multihull sailors offered their boats as training platforms.


Not entirely true. Sarasota Youth Sailing owns 3 (at least) boats....1 F-18 (there may be another) and 2 F-16's.


Terrific.... when you get to 5 boats... we can start comparing the multi scene to the 1000's of Yacht clubs with 420 fleets.

I would argue that a two boat Sarasota fleet is a lot closer to my targeted approach then a dream that Multi's will be used in most Yacht club programs anytime in the future.

Props to Sarasota for buying some club boats.


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Re: US Olympic Pathway Solns.... thoughts? [Re: Mark Schneider] #255328
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The US SAILING Youth Multihull Championship is a good example of a pathway to the Olympics. Sarah Newberry, the current Chair of this event is one of our top sailors on the path to the 2016 games. She also was the winner of the Youth Multihull Championship in 2006. In prior events, she was 7th in 2002, 3rd in 2004, and 5th in 2005.

In 2006, our local Hobie Cat sailors in Seattle helped train three teams to race in the 2007 Multihull Youth Championship. They were trained on Hobie 16's and Tigers. Since the event was sailed on the SL 16 with spin, they got experience on the Tigers. This was not done with some damage. Two Tiger sails were destroyed during this training.

Art Stevens tried to get us at Sail Sand Point to invest in at least one SL 16 to train future Youth Multihull racers. We did consider this option, but decided not too, as the boats would have limited use in our overall program.

Currently, we have seven Waves and eight H-16's in our program at Sail Sand Point. The boats are available for our Monday night races, and we are hoping to add a second night of racing just for Multihulls.

We may not be training sailors to enter in the Olympics, but on the other hand, three of the sailors selected for the America's Cup Youth Team are from Seattle.

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Slightly offtopic, but the Nacra 17 Class rules have been published:
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Slightly offtopic, but the Nacra 17 Class rules have been published:
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